A bit of History about Yunker & Cybergun co2 bb 'AK47' air rifles

[nikvanorton]

A few pictures (well, quite a lot really) comparing a deact Chinese T56 with a Real Sword and a Gen1 Cybergun. There will be detail differences due to guns coming from different factories.

 

[Didier]

That is a sight for sore eyes!

 

[Didier]

I would say the two major visible differences between the RS Type 56-1 and the real thing are the fat pistol grip and the absence of a "dimple" on the left side of the receiver, where the axle of the underfolding stock connects to the receiver. Other than that, you would be hard put to spot any significant differences: the RealSword Type 56-1 is a dead ringer for its "real life" equivalent.

 

[Didier]

To me, the most puzzling aspect of RealSword's Type 56-1 is its underfolding stock and its attachment system: RealSword implies that they designed and manufactured them themselves, but the fact is that both "axle caps" are absolutely identical to those you would find on a real Type 56-1, as is the folding stock itself.

Right, there are some slight differences here, but, as you mentioned, they may be the result of different factories and production time frames.

The other question that RS Type 56-1 raises is its receiver: is it a real (unfinished?) Type 56-1 receiver or is it a fake receiver made to look like a real one?

 

[nikvanorton]

To me, the most puzzling aspect of RealSword's Type 56-1 is its underfolding stock and its attachment system: RealSword implies that they designed and manufactured them themselves, but the fact is that both "axle caps" are absolutely identical to those you would find on a real Type 56-1, as i
Right, there are some slight differences here, but, as you mentioned, they may be the result of different factories and production time frames.

The other question that RS Type 56-1 raises is its receiver: is it a real (unfinished?) Type 56-1 receiver or is it a fake receiver made to look like a real one?

Timeframes are certainly different - the deact is probably 1980s and the Real Sword much later. On physical examination there are no differences whatsoever in terms of weight, materials or build quality and, as we have said before, it would be more expensive and time consuming to make a copy than to get hold of what is easily (and probably cheaply) already available. Maybe they are claiming credit for the stock when they really just bought them in!

 

[kennedy1227]

I came across a new Chinese Type 56 airsoft online, by a company called Akriva. it seems they offer a 56, 56-1 and 56-2. The Akriva looks nearly identical to the Real Sword with only slight differences in parts that I can spot thus far. Oh the Akriva is a GBB (gas blow back airsoft), Akriva has small hidden set screws on bottom of barrel components (gas block, front sight, etc.). The Akriva doesn't appear to have any markings on the receiver. I spoke with Real Sword and they had no knowledge of this new airsoft or the Akriva company.

I found this video that compares a Akriva 56-2 ("bakelite" furniture), Real Sword 56-2 converted to GBB (black furniture) and Cybergun 56-2 (burn looking wood furniture).

 

[nikvanorton]

I came across a new Chinese Type 56 airsoft online, by a company called Akriva. it seems they offer a 56, 56-1 and 56-2. The Akriva looks nearly identical to the Real Sword with only slight differences in parts that I can spot thus far. Oh the Akriva is a GBB (gas blow back airsoft), Akriva has small hidden set screws on bottom of barrel components (gas block, front sight, etc.). The Akriva doesn't appear to have any markings on the receiver. I spoke with Real Sword and they had no knowledge of this new airsoft or the Akriva company.

I found this video that compares a Akriva 56-2 ("bakelite" furniture), Real Sword 56-2 converted to GBB (black furniture) and Cybergun 56-2 (burn looking wood furniture).

That does look very much like a Real Sword. I wonder if it’ll be coming to the UK?

 

[Didier]

I came across a new Chinese Type 56 airsoft online, by a company called Akriva. it seems they offer a 56, 56-1 and 56-2. The Akriva looks nearly identical to the Real Sword with only slight differences in parts that I can spot thus far. Oh the Akriva is a GBB (gas blow back airsoft), Akriva has small hidden set screws on bottom of barrel components (gas block, front sight, etc.). The Akriva doesn't appear to have any markings on the receiver. I spoke with Real Sword and they had no knowledge of this new airsoft or the Akriva company.

I found this video that compares a Akriva 56-2 ("bakelite" furniture), Real Sword 56-2 converted to GBB (black furniture) and Cybergun 56-2 (burn looking wood furniture).

That is one of the most interesting RealSword-related videos I have seen so far.

The Akriva Type 56-2 seems to have less original parts than the RS Type 56-2, but, undoubtedly, they both have the original Type 56-2 side-folding stock. The Cybergun BB gun converted to an airsoft Type 56-2 lookalike is also very interesting - judging from its Russian-looking sight leaf, it may have been the same as the "limited edition" Cybergun run.

Worthy of note is also one of the comments that was left by viewers:

Question:
記得漢元貞治(Real sword)好像是北方工業來著，那麼新的這間AKRIVA不知道真身又是哪間大廠？
I believe the Han Yuan Zhenzhi (Real Sword) was manufactured by Norinco, so I wonder which major manufacturer is behind this new AKRIVA?

Reply:
可能是小廠 表面粗糙度有差
It may be a small factory with inconsistent surface roughness.

This is the very first time I have come across the Chinese name of RealSword: 漢元真治/Han Yuan Zhenzhi "The True Governance of the Han Dynasty", that is a name with obvious Chinese nationalist undertones.

Other than that, the mention of Norinco is also interesting: it shows that Chinese airsofters seem pretty convinced that those airsoft toys were made by their own arms manufacturers. Or is it only a distant echo from our very own ramblings?...

Here is another thread about the Norinco/RealSword connection that we had already mentioned:

https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/comments/tvwnmo/is_ec_related_to_norinco

I think the conclusions that are drawn there are rather sensible:

Basically:

1. Real Sword’s guns used parts from Norinco’s rifles that were made in a real gun factory and could have been real gun parts (some are 1:1) if they hadn’t been sent to Real Sword instead.
2. E&L’s AKs can’t use parts from EMEI’s real rifles, because EMEI don’t make Russian-pattern AKs. Therefore while some of the parts of an E&L AK might have been made in a real gun factory, none of them could ever have been real gun parts; some of them are not even 1:1.
3. E&L make one gun (a Type 95-series) that EMEI make as a real gun. AFAIK the E&L replica is sold only for military training, so while it might use real gun parts, it’s not really relevant to airsofters.

The ultimate difference is that some of the parts in a Real Sword were made in a real gun factory and could have been actual gun parts, whereas while some of the parts in an E&L could have been made in a real gun factory they were only ever made for airsoft.

That was posted four years ago, so we had no influence whatsoever on the aforementioned thread.

 

[nikvanorton]

Real Sword’s guns used parts from Norinco’s rifles that were made in a real gun factory and could have been real gun parts (some are 1:1) if they hadn’t been sent to Real Sword instead.

1. E&L’s AKs can’t use parts from EMEI’s real rifles, because EMEI don’t make Russian-pattern AKs. Therefore while some of the parts of an E&L AK might have been made in a real gun factory, none of them could ever have been real gun parts; some of them are not even 1:1.
2. E&L make one gun (a Type 95-series) that EMEI make as a real gun. AFAIK the E&L replica is sold only for military training, so while it might use real gun parts, it’s not really relevant to airsofters.

The ultimate difference is that some of the parts in a Real Sword were made in a real gun factory and could have been actual gun parts, whereas while some of the parts in an E&L could have been made in a real gun factory they were only ever made for airsoft.

That was posted four years ago, so we had no influence whatsoever on the aforementioned thread.

The 'family connections' continue to the limited edition E&L T191 which shares the technology from their Type 95 military trainer (it's a unique airsoft gun because it operates on a paintball type system, not GBBR). Also, the Huntsman Type 95 (which is made by a Chinese company called Fuxing) bears some very strong similarities with the E&L Type 95 military trainer. Two guns which don't contain any genuine parts, but are an interesting diversion from the main story.

 

[nikvanorton]

Interesting explanation of the Chinese markings on the T56-1 deact above, courtesy of a very nice guy from the AK forum:

I'll explain that chinese letters.
连. Pronounciation is 'Lien'(You have to say it quickly — it sounds like 'Len'.). It is abbreviation of 连发 Lienfa. (Full Auto)
单. Pronounciation is 'Dan'. It is abbrv of 单发 Danfa.(Semi auto)

 

[Didier]

The logical question would be to know why RealSword chose the Type 56 "export markings" over the purely Chinese selector markings, if their replicas were supposed to mimick PLA assault rifles - can you imagine an E&L AKM airsoft replica with AV/OD markings instead of the regular АВ/ОД Soviet markings?

 

[nikvanorton]

The logical question would be to know why RealSword chose the Type 56 "export markings" over the purely Chinese selector markings, if their replicas were supposed to mimick PLA assault rifles - can you imagine an E&L AKM replica with AV/OD markings instead of the regular АВ/ОД Soviet markings?

Maybe they were catering to the western market, or maybe they were concerned about 'anti-Chinese' bias (which in terms of guns is still very common, even on this forum). I would imagine a lot of people who originally bought Real Sword just wanted a good quality AK.

 

[Didier]

Maybe they were catering to the western market, or maybe they were concerned about 'anti-Chinese' bias (which in terms of guns is still very common, even on this forum). I would imagine a lot of people who originally bought Real Sword just wanted a good quality AK.

Cybergun AKs originally had L/D-marked receivers, but that was only because those receivers were available to them, in my opinion - why would they have called their BB gun an AK-47 instead of a Type 56 otherwise?

 

[nikvanorton]

Cybergun AKs originally had L/D-marked receivers, but that was only because those receivers were available to them, in my opinion - why would they have called their BB gun an AK-47 instead of a Type 56 otherwise?

True. Another Real Sword mystery...

 

[02cardyd]

Hey Guys I recently acquired a Live Sec 1 Saiga Ak102 on my FAC, would you guys want a side by side striped comparison with my Yunker two?

 

[Didier]

Hey Guys I recently acquired up a Live Sec 1 Saiga Ak102 on my FAC, would you guys want a side by side striped comparison with my Yunker two?
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That could be interesting and, of course, you could try to switch furnitures

 

[02cardyd]

If you guys have anything you particularly want comparing, parts angles etc, let me know

 

[02cardyd]

I also picked up one of these………. I wouldn’t recommend, but on the flip
Side is fun and drums are available lol

 

[Didier]

I also picked up one of these………. I wouldn’t recommend, but on the flip
Side is fun and drums are available lolView attachment 847196

The GSG .22 LR look-alike...

 

[Didier]

If you guys have anything you particularly want comparing, parts angles etc, let me know

I expect the skeleton stocks will be the same, but it would be interesting to compare both front trunnions and also to get a peek at what is inside your Saiga's receiver. A comparison of their respective gas tubes would also be nice in order to make sure that our Yunker BB guns do have an original Saiga/AK gas tube.