What people consider is good accuracy for a sub 12 air rifle

Very good groups you posted for the intro to this thread :love:

You can only buy so much accuracy, and often guns at half the price will be giant killers in the right hands, and that's the ultimate difference - who's hands is the gun in ;) It's not the first time I've picked up someone's gun and handed them their proverbial arse on a plate with it :ROFLMAO:

More expensive guns can make it easier to get better scores, but without the prep on pellets and technique, most shooters will plateau and not move forward without some effort. I've often heard people saying stuff like "I've been doing it that way for 30 years, bla, bla, bla......" and I've just thought to myself, yea, and you have been doing it wrong all that time because you don't learn you muppet Homer face palm

Read a lot on the forum, take it all with a pinch of salt, you will only measure your own accuracy if you actually measure it - get a 25 shot BR card and do a few goes and change things about (slowly and one at a time) to see what measurable difference these changes give you. Focus on it over time, your not going to go from a decent shot to world class overnight, and in a lot of cases, many of us are probably over the hill performance wise if we are honest with ourselves, although I'm still a Chippendale in the bedroom :ROFLMAO:

In many cases you can get more accuracy with a quality gun purely down to fit and finish, feel, and how comfortable you are with it. It's not that cheaper guns are often less accurate, but with sloppy triggers, rough cocking, and less than perfect shot cycle they can make your shooting less accurate as they are not as nice to use - simple as that some times Shrug tt
 
As long as you are happy with your groupings thats all that really matters.

As others have said,there is no substitute for practice as bad technique even with a quality gun won’t give great results.
 
Do I need to make the jump from my sub £500 rifle to a seriously premium rifle or are most 3 figure rifles all similar in terms of accuracy once you learn how to shoot them effectively? I do like the mag system on the HW100, but really don't want to still be chasing that unicorn. If I upgrade I want my technique to be holding me back and not my equipement :)

Thoughts?

Chris
Hey Chris,

I'm decently new to the sport (~6mos) - but with my Rotex RM8 I can reliably walk away from range day with bench rest cards like this:

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9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 8, 10, 10, 9, 9 = 90/100

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10, 10, 10, 10X, 10(X?) = 50X

I shoot mostly the Air Arms diabolo match .177 pellets. I found that I can essentially eliminate the odd flier by using a pellet sizer, then I keep my sized pellets in that H&N match pellet box so that they don't get banged around. These are all shot with a scope, and bench rest rules mean that you can't be touching your rifle forwards of the trigger, and you can only rest the front of the rifle on a flat (raised) surface.

I *have* slightly modified my rifle to have a better trigger pull - which was a little hairy, removing the trigger seer and drilling and tapping a space for an m3 grub screw:
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The trigger on this rifle is two stage, but the second stage doesn't have any way to adjust it.

I've fired a bunch of other rifles, and honestly I really don't like this rifle all that much - it feels kind of mushy as the hammer floats about after a shot, and doesn't have a satisfying snap to it that I get with rimfire or even my cheapo QB78 CO2 gun. But it shoots fine and I'm still satisfied that I can do well at club level competitions with it.

Honestly, I'm starting to shoot exclusively pistol and open sights because I think I've taken my bench rest shooting as far as I need to for comps next year. The rifle I'm having the absolute most fun with right now is my HW35 with a diopter sight, 10m standing, and I am so inconsistent with it that It's laughable!
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3,2,7,0,0 = 12/50 || 8,7,7,10,4 = 36/50
I ain't winning shit like that! 😂
*but* I'm still not missing the targets enough to start putting holes in the backstop, so the club doesn't object to my intentionally handicapping myself like this haha. It feels like there's more "meat" for me to work on - breathing, stance, grip, head position, small gains lead to big improvements, which motivates me!

As much as I really want to get into an Anschutz anything - I don't have 2-3k sitting around (though I am making eyes at the Snowpeak target rifle...).

Anyway - what I'm saying is, if a novice like me can achieve a card that scores a 50 with one or two Xs with a rifle you can get for under £500 (and I got mine for less as it was preowned!) there is certainly room for anyone to be scoring well on technique alone. Just remember it's consistency that's the key, and how can you be really sure if you're consistent without *data*!. Get yourself official targets (the card they're printed on cuts nicer with wadcutters, easier to score accurately, *very* uniform targets) and if you can justify it get yourself the TargetScan app - and start recording your results. Make notes about what you did on the day - hell start recording the temperature, the time of day, how long since you ate, did you sleep okay, you'd be surprised how these things can impact on your shooting, and it's going to be different for everyone.

This is my lived experience as someone trying to really dive into precision shooting, I hope you can take anything from this even if it's just purely reassurance that you're going in the right direction, and that you can keep improving without spending money on anything over air and lead.
Above all else, keep having fun!

If you fancy benchmarking yourself - consider doing the NSRA proficiency badge for your discipline! Every badge here can be participated with a sub-12 air rifle!
https://www.nsra.co.uk/nsra-proficiency-scheme
 
30 yds with TX, 98 and Cometa Fenix 400
Red dot is 20mm
 

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"Outdoors" isn't exactly an equal descriptor either. Middle of a field by the coast vs a wood in the middle of the country with a berm down the side.
You'd better watch those berms. I used to shoot FT matches at a place that had a berm running across it. We'd have this one target, just down wind of the berm. Everyone missed the thing, even though it was a straight forward shot. I noticed all the misses were an inch low, so I aimed an inch high and dropped it. Very happy to get that target.
 
You'd better watch those berms. I used to shoot FT matches at a place that had a berm running across it. We'd have this one target, just down wind of the berm. Everyone missed the thing, even though it was a straight forward shot. I noticed all the misses were an inch low, so I aimed an inch high and dropped it. Very happy to get that target.

Yeh in close can be a pig with the dirty, turbulent air pushing down. You'd have had lift on the opposite side as well
 
As for. 'pellet on pellet ' it's a boast I can seldom make - 5p groups at 20m with a HW100KT is my norm and I don't see much chance of improving too much regardless of any changes I could make.
Is you barrel floating, and are you using dry lube on the hammer?
 
Accuracy to me is single pellet hole sized group and 30m and at the indoor 55m range I expect 7mm hole or less, I've had a few rifles that can do this and a lot that can't.

When I see people put 5p groups up at 25 yards to me that's shocking for a PCP but maybe it's just me.
 
So whoever this is (Airgun World pic) should find another sport. 11mm groups considering the gun, scope, rear bag and front rest is pathetic
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Do you mean with a 0177 you can shoot a 5 shot 4.5mm edge to edge group at 30m consistently?
I mean with a .177 I can do it sometimes yes indoors rested but definitely not consistently although that's me not the rifle as sometimes I just can't produce groups that I'm happy with must be good and bad days.

@dac41 has watched me on a few occasions put them throught the exact same hole or near as you can get at 55m.

I've only had 4 rifles that can do that and I've had a few and I have to be on form too as sometimes I just can't but when the stars align I've done them groups a few times over on a trip to the range funnily enough I've had 2 hft 500's and one could nearly do it and the other had no chance.
 
So whoever this is (Airgun World pic) should find another sport. 11mm groups considering the gun, scope, rear bag and front rest is pathetic
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No shooting a single group is way easier than a target card and that card is good, when you move there's so many variables but then again that rest should get rid of a lot of them....
 
The only way I’ll ever be able to shoot single pellet hole groups is to take a shot and then back the silencer off half a turn…
 
No shooting a single group is way easier than a target card and that card is good, when you move there's so many variables but then again that rest should get rid of a lot of them....
Wasn't a pop at you mate, just think unless people are saying indoors and a pic of the setup it's hard to rate a group. Could be cheapy bipod and hand under the butt or full bench rest rig with SAB joystick rests
 
Wasn't a pop at you mate, just think unless people are saying indoors and a pic of the setup it's hard to rate a group. Could be cheapy bipod and hand under the butt or full bench rest rig with SAB joystick rests
I didn't think it was mate and crazy thing is i got a fixed target bipod that was solid and shot worse than using a Coldwell front rest with a bag at rear.

Even crazier is one week I can shoot unreal and next can't at all with same rifle and pellets🤣
 
I didn't think it was mate and crazy thing is i got a fixed target bipod that was solid and shot worse than using a Coldwell front rest with a bag at rear.

Even crazier is one week I can shoot unreal and next can't at all with same rifle and pellets🤣

Drives you mad doesn't it. Such small things can cause it as well outside of the kit you're using- sleep, caffeine, headache, sugar
 
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