Peddy
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I don’t hear much on the boxer, was hoping it was going to be one of pellpax’s deals as I liked the look of them. The barrel wouldn’t have a been a lottery, like a lot of the budget guns
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Another vote for the P15, buy second hand if you know what you are doing or buy from Pellpax as they have a lifetime warranty. I have one in each flavour and cannot fault them, had a seal go after 5 ish years last week and my local RFD replaced it free of charge as the job was so easy.
Peddy
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Do you know bsa don’t warranty accuracy
I bought an ultra and it was a shotgun, when I asked about a replacement barrel for it they said to try more pellets as there was no level of accuracy warranted or even stated from bsa, if it was new to take it up with the rfd
Peddy
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That’s not what I’d expect from BSA..poor. Maybe that’s why I’ve just stuck with a mmc ultra and mk1 scorpion
Never struggled to get spares for Artemis/Snowpeak stuff, and I always get them from a place where I can try before I buy to make sure they aren't rubbish, I've had a couple that weren't accurate out of the box from other places but exchanged them.
32:1
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SMK flat refused to supply me a block when mine had worn away on the cocking probe bore and probe was wobbly causing trouble in mag and accuracy
The second one needed a regulator, barrel, hammer and trigger sear, none available
M16 faulty regulator and inlet valve/seat, again nowt.
My local rfd used to have boxes stacked up ready to go back, he stopped selling them due to the hassle
And I know my mates p15 shot well for 4-5years then it failed, some are lucky some are not, its not acceptable to be lucky or not and wether its repairable or not, Im aware some guys are happy but my experience with them is pants, hopefully the name change from Artemis to Snowpeak washed a lot of the negativity away
wookienookie..
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I fancied a boxer too if it came way down in price, I could live with the crazy cocking position but the trigger is reportedly diabolical..
I didn’t realise how crucially important a good trigger is until I tried one and for me personally a good trigger is as important as a good barrel..
Jay Butts
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Hey mate, you’re not going to get super duper quality with your budget so you’ll need to compromise. Many of the previous suggestions will fit the bill but every one has minor (but not deal breaking) issues.
Most Chinese or Turkish stuff is built to a price and even after you’ve tried a few, chosen one particular gun and spent your hard earned on one, there’s no guarantee that the same model from the same manufacturer you buy is going to be any good. It really is that risky… I would definitely look at used guns. The depreciation has already gone from a used gun meaning that when you come to sell you’re pretty much going to get all your money back. Look through the sales section on here, some great guns come up for sale.
Final point, don’t discount guns with a small shot count, I’ve a golf course permission too and only ever took two ten shot magazines, one in the gun and one in my pocket. Let’s face it, you’re never going to take more than 20 shots in one session.
Good luck finding the right gun!
Most Chinese or Turkish stuff is built to a price and even after you’ve tried a few, chosen one particular gun and spent your hard earned on one, there’s no guarantee that the same model from the same manufacturer you buy is going to be any good. It really is that risky… I would definitely look at used guns. The depreciation has already gone from a used gun meaning that when you come to sell you’re pretty much going to get all your money back. Look through the sales section on here, some great guns come up for sale.
Final point, don’t discount guns with a small shot count, I’ve a golf course permission too and only ever took two ten shot magazines, one in the gun and one in my pocket. Let’s face it, you’re never going to take more than 20 shots in one session.
Good luck finding the right gun!
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wookienookie..
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Facto mundo!Hey mate, you’re not going to get super duper quality with your budget so you’ll need to compromise. Many of the previous suggestions will fit the bill but every one has minor (but not deal breaking) issues.
Most Chinese or Turkish stuff is built to a price and even after you’ve tried a few, chosen one particular gun and spent your hard earned on one, there’s no guarantee that the same model from the same manufacturer you buy is going to be any good. It really is that risky… I would definitely look at used guns. The depreciation has already gone from a used gun meaning that when you come to sell you’re pretty much going to get all your money back. Look through the sales section on here, some great guns come up for sale.
Final point, don’t discount guns with a small shot count, I’ve a golf course permission too and only ever took two ten shot magazines, one in the gun and one in my pocket. Let’s face it, you’re never going to take more than 20 shots in one session.
Good luck finding the right gun!
When I first got back into shooting a year ago going to a range was eating air and pellets and the hourly rate too, now I do all my target and hunting on my permission and it’s cheap as Chips, a fraction of the shot count needed.
I’ve always bought new, but a fair point made, second hand could be the way to go on a higher quality, especially if bought from a well known forum member..
My tuppence worth - of the guns mentioned I own -
P15 .22 - very light, short, short length of pull, big shot count, accurate and damn near silent with a carbon shroud. Lane and Huma both do regs for them - cocking lever in a bad place unless modified
NP-02 .177 and .25 - short as the P15 until you put the very necessary moderator with a long length of pull, accurate, decent shot count, heavier than it looks
Empire XS .22 - very short, heavy but the weight is it at the back, about 120 shots, the moderator (it's not a shroud) may need aligning correctly if using a secondary moderator as they can suffer from clipping (not on the supplied one but one fitted to the end of it), accurate - can be regged if required - set up properly this should double the shot count
All four of mine are capable of repeatedly smacking golf balls at 60yds + (.25 takes a little while to get there mind
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Size comparison (top one is a Kral Knight semi-bullpup)
and the XS against the P15
P15 .22 - very light, short, short length of pull, big shot count, accurate and damn near silent with a carbon shroud. Lane and Huma both do regs for them - cocking lever in a bad place unless modified
NP-02 .177 and .25 - short as the P15 until you put the very necessary moderator with a long length of pull, accurate, decent shot count, heavier than it looks
Empire XS .22 - very short, heavy but the weight is it at the back, about 120 shots, the moderator (it's not a shroud) may need aligning correctly if using a secondary moderator as they can suffer from clipping (not on the supplied one but one fitted to the end of it), accurate - can be regged if required - set up properly this should double the shot count
All four of mine are capable of repeatedly smacking golf balls at 60yds + (.25 takes a little while to get there mind
)Size comparison (top one is a Kral Knight semi-bullpup)
and the XS against the P15
I think their quality control leaves a lot to be desired and that is a shame. Parts for the cheaper co2 guns from them are readily available, but I'm still having to get bits sent from Canada for them due to price, availability, and no RFD transfer fees.
If they just put 10 shots through each before they sent it out they would weed out most of the bad ones
Peddy
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Cracking line up of guns. The empire looks impressive… that’s another on my listMy tuppence worth - of the guns mentioned I own -
P15 .22 - very light, short, short length of pull, big shot count, accurate and damn near silent with a carbon shroud. Lane and Huma both do regs for them - cocking lever in a bad place unless modified
NP-02 .177 and .25 - short as the P15 until you put the very necessary moderator with a long length of pull, accurate, decent shot count, heavier than it looks
Empire XS .22 - very short, heavy but the weight is it at the back, about 120 shots, the moderator (it's not a shroud) may need aligning correctly if using a secondary moderator as they can suffer from clipping (not on the supplied one but one fitted to the end of it), accurate - can be regged if required - set up properly this should double the shot count
All four of mine are capable of repeatedly smacking golf balls at 60yds + (.25 takes a little while to get there mind
Size comparison (top one is a Kral Knight semi-bullpup)
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and the XS against the P15
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Peddy
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In my humble opinion it’s the regs on the cheaper guns that cause the most issue. I’d go for one that’s either unregged or has the ability of swapping or removing all together.
Jay Butts
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Absolutely spot on.
The supplied attached mod takes the bark out pretty well given the barrel is the same length as the NP-02 - if it had shot the same as the Knight out of the box (massively throttled on the TP and no power curve at all just a gradual drop off and farting badly with hammer bounce) it would have been in bits by now and fettled - as it is there's a hint of excess air usage but nothing that shouts fix me. I may order up a Lane reg for it for when I get bored and pull it to bits but as it stands it's knocking the squizzers and rats over absolutely fine as it isCracking line up of guns. The empire looks impressive… that’s another on my list
I am having to resist the urge to swap the barrel and probe over from the .25 NP-02 though. I did have a little play with the bottle version down the range and the balance is obviously further forward but manageable.Something I forgot to mention is the scope rail is adjustable for elevation which may come in handy when the Zulus turns up and the cheekpiece is adjustable on a sliding dovetail rail
robthedog
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Nick Stanning (Mr TBT) had a bullpup 77 , i'd quite like a bullpup 80
Peddy
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It’s a shame rangeright don’t make them more user friendly for uk, so much wasted air with tiny TP and original hammer/valve springs. Then fit a load of tricky AT’s to make it hard for us to make it an efficient gun. Saying that at least with a smaller TP you do get a flatter curve in a non regged gun. It’s weird as my Akela feels like it’s set up properly for sub12, first Turkish gun I’ve owned that is!The supplied attached mod takes the bark out pretty well given the barrel is the same length as the NP-02 - if it had shot the same as the Knight out of the box (massively throttled on the TP and no power curve at all just a gradual drop off and farting badly with hammer bounce) it would have been in bits by now and fettled - as it is there's a hint of excess air usage but nothing that shouts fix me. I may order up a Lane reg for it for when I get bored and pull it to bits but as it stands it's knocking the squizzers and rats over absolutely fine as it is
Something I forgot to mention is the scope rail is adjustable for elevation which may come in handy when the Zulus turns up and the cheekpiece is adjustable on a sliding dovetail rail
Yep, that's what I'm thinking with the XS and the .25 NP-02 (it's the later model with the revised trigger) they both seem to be much better set up out of the box for sub 12 so maybe RR have listened and are doing a better job (but the AT is a buggerance). The Knight ended up with the TP opened up (won't mention what it jumped to just doing that
), a Lane reg and 5 1/2 coils collapsed on the hammer spring - it's now silent and chucking out well over 700 shots on a charge, running at 11.4ftlb with AA Field and 11.2 with Biz Mags.
32:1
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Ive recently tried tuning an unregged kral, the np500 came my way cheap so I dived in, out the box the 500cc delivered nearly 200 shots in a 30fps window, very simple changes and a change of bottle to a carbon 300cc sees near 250 shots in a 20fps window, far lighter to cock, far quieter rapport
Why oh why our UK guns dont get setup properly beggars belief
Why oh why our UK guns dont get setup properly beggars belief