Storing Gun At Home With Licence?

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Hi all

Silly question im sure, but can someone tell me if you obtain a FAC licence through a club, and say you have a .22LR, can you still store your gun at home in your safe or does it have to be stored at the club?

Thanks
 
You can store at home.

Not necessarily in a safe, but you'll negotiate the security arrangements with the FEO before the grant.
 
You can store your own legally held firearms at your home in a certified cabinet, I'd say 99% of club shooters do.

Is this because a club wants you to store yours with them?

Edit: unless they're under that sec 7.3 or whatever the number, historic handguns etc.
 
Rich79 said:
You can store your own legally held firearms at your home in a certified cabinet, I'd say 99% of club shooters do.

Is this because a club wants you to store yours with them?

Edit: unless they're under that sec 7.3 or whatever the number, historic handguns etc.
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I just heard that some clubs want you to store them at the club, so was just confirming that I can legally take my arms home and store it.
 
You don't obtain a FAC through a club, you can join a club that uses FAC rifles and become a member and use their equipment, once all checks have been done, but obtaining a FAC will be down to you applying for it. This will give you the ability to possess, purchase or acquire a firearm
Being a member of said club will be good reason for applying for a FAC though.
Edit: just read the title, what is your club saying, you beat me to the reason for edit (y)
 
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faz668 said:
I just heard that some clubs want you to store them at the club, so was just confirming that I can legally take my arms home and store it.
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Some do but personally I wouldn't be comfortable with that, someone else has access so that's a no from me.
If it wasn't something you could get around I'd at least want to store the bolts at home in my ammo cabinet, then they're not functional.
 
Well if you're going to apply for a FAC you will have to satisfy certain conditions/criteria
a, you will have to have a good/legitimate reason wanting one i.e you're are a bona fide member of an approved club/range or you have suitable land to shoot the fire arm on and the FEO will determine whether the land is suitable, not you, you may think it's suitable but they may not.
b, the weapon when not in use will be kept in an approved security cabinet securely anchored to the floor or structural wall.
c, you haven't been convicted of any serious or relatively serious criminal offence and are of good character.
d, you will be subject to a criminal records check and a search on your medical history with your GP will be conducted to see if you suffer from any medical impairments, either mental or physical, that might preclude you from owning/using a firearm.
Incidentally there will normally be a charge made by your GP practice that you will have to pay for doing this. Incidentally a GP may decline to do this as they are not legally compelled to offer this service.
Although providing your medical history is a legal requirement to an FAC being granted oddly there is no legal requirement for a GP to provide it which personally i think is strange and a bit of a nonsense.
d, you will have to provide the names and addresses of two people who have known you for at least two years who can vouch for your character in as much as to the best of their knowledge you are of good character.
Where being a member of a club/range there is normally a 6 month probationary period before you cam apply for an FAC and as i said in my previous post being granted a certificate to use a firearm at the club/range you belong to will not allow you to use it outside of the club/range.
If you want to use it on land other than the club/range you will need to get clearance from your FEO which will necessitate an inspection of the land by the FEO to see and make sure the land is safe/suitable.
There may be restrictions on what calibre weapon can be used on any such land as well as calibre restrictions on what you intend to shoot. Some firearms departments stipulate minimum calibres for certain species such as fox as well as there being a minimum calibre for deer.
If any of what i've said is incorrect the FAC holders on here will correct me.
 
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Patrick said:
If any of what i've said is incorrect the FAC holders on here will correct me.
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Largely accurate, but most clubs are 3 months probation not 6. I'm in three, none require 6 months. The only stipulation is that they are HO approved, and to get that approval they need to run a training course and require a minimum number of visits in no less than a 3 month period.

My FAC has the common target shooting condition, which is that:

"The firearms and ammunition shall be used for target shooting, and only whilst a member of XXXXXX (my 'home' club), on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim"

So you'll need to be a member of a club, but you can shoot at any club/range so long as it is deemed to be suitable/safe for that firearm and there's an insurance policy in place.

Regarding storing my firearms at a club - no way, save for very very exceptional circumstances and with a heap of extra care and due diligence. Condition 4(a) precludes this as far as I'm concerned. It states: "The firearms and ammunition to which this certificate relates must at all times (except in the circumstances set out in paragraph (b) below) be stored securely so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the firearms or ammunition by an unauthorised person." Unless you are the only person with the keys to the cabinet in which your firearms are stored, you're not meeting that condition in just about every case.
 
DRZ said:
Largely accurate, but most clubs are 3 months probation not 6. I'm in three, none require 6 months. The only stipulation is that they are HO approved, and to get that approval they need to run a training course and require a minimum number of visits in no less than a 3 month period.
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Ah i see thanks for clarifying, i knew that the club/range had to be HO approved, i was basing what i said about probationary period on local stipulations from years ago. when it was 6 months apparently.
 
YOU are wholly responsible for the security and safeguarding of the firearms entrusted to you.
 
faz668 said:
Hi all

Silly question im sure, but can someone tell me if you obtain a FAC licence through a club, and say you have a .22LR, can you still store your gun at home in your safe or does it have to be stored at the club?

Thanks
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Part of the process of obtaining an FAC is evidence of secure storage within your own property. Personally, any club that insisted on storage within the club would get a wide berth from me.
 
DRZ said:
Largely accurate, but most clubs are 3 months probation not 6. I'm in three, none require 6 months. The only stipulation is that they are HO approved, and to get that approval they need to run a training course and require a minimum number of visits in no less than a 3 month period.

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Regarding storing my firearms at a club - no way, save for very very exceptional circumstances and with a heap of extra care and due diligence. Condition 4(a) precludes this as far as I'm concerned. It states: "The firearms and ammunition to which this certificate relates must at all times (except in the circumstances set out in paragraph (b) below) be stored securely so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the firearms or ammunition by an unauthorised person." Unless you are the only person with the keys to the cabinet in which your firearms are stored, you're not meeting that condition in just about every case.
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Three months is the minimum the law/HO requires. Regular attendance is also required and if members only attend once per month, 3 visits is not enough. Many clubs operate a 6 month minimum probation, but it is a club decision.

Club storage is a thing, some clubs have a 'Club RFD' solely so this can be done without the problems you describe with unauthorised access (it also can allow for easier ammunition supply, among other things). The RFD effectively takes possession and is responsible for storage.
I have heard of several clubs that have gunrooms where there are many lockers/cabinets for members to store their rifles. Several clubs on Bisley, for instance, have this facility and each cabinet is locked securely by the firearm owner and the club has control of the gunroom itself.
 
DRZ said:
So you'll need to be a member of a club, but you can shoot at any club/range so long as it is deemed to be suitable/safe for that firearm and there's an insurance policy in place.
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I'm pretty sure if you use any other range, unless your a member of that club, you will need your own public liability insurance.
Easiest way for that is to join the NSRA if your only shooting target rifle.
My clubs insurance only covers members on club ranges, other ranges I have shot on in competitions state when you enter the competition you will need your own insurance when using their range
 
Sarge said:
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Three months is the minimum the law/HO requires. Regular attendance is also required and if members only attend once per month, 3 visits is not enough. Many clubs operate a 6 month minimum probation, but it is a club decision.

Club storage is a thing, some clubs have a 'Club RFD' solely so this can be done without the problems you describe with unauthorised access (it also can allow for easier ammunition supply, among other things). The RFD effectively takes possession and is responsible for storage.
I have heard of several clubs that have gunrooms where there are many lockers/cabinets for members to store their rifles. Several clubs on Bisley, for instance, have this facility and each cabinet is locked securely by the firearm owner and the club has control of the gunroom itself.
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Yes, lodging with an RFD is fine of course, as is a cabinet that is solely for your use (covered by exactly what I said, you're the only person with the keys to the cabinet). Any other arrangements, fall short in my eyes and should be avoided. Even the RFD lodging would be suspect if it was insisted upon by the club. There is no way I would personally enter into that arrangement.
 
faz668 said:
I just heard that some clubs want you to store them at the club
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Do you have an actual source for that or is it one of those rumours that sometimes get circulated?

I haven't encountered a club that specifies that for regular S1, the only example of such is for Section 7.3 'Heritage Pistols' which are required to be stored at an appropriate facility.

Information about this here.
 
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Good morning, so when applying for your FAC are you allowed to say that you will be storing them at your club and not at your home ?
 
To me it all seems fraught with problems although I do know it happens but rather by choice though, not dictatorially, after home based security has been established during the application stage.
 
I wonder if it is all about club guns and not members' guns.
Sometimes the details get lost in the telling.
 
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