Old rifles.

[Steelboss]

Can anyone share a little information on the following rifles?
They may become available for sale so any idea of value would be welcomed.
We know that :
Top is BSA
Middle is believed to be 1880
Bottom is Wembley and we have the original purchase receipt 1973.

 

[One more job]

Wow! They look really old!
Cannot help you with a valuation I’m afraid but sure some on here can. Very interested to see what members think they are worth. Good luck with the sale, if that’s what you decide to do

 

[rockdrill]

The Webley is a Mk3 Supertarget version fitted with Parker Hale sights, the little brass cap on the bottom of the grip holds extra foresight elements.

I couldn't give you a figure, but the Supertarget's generally fetch more than the normal Mk3's.

 

[DaveCL]

Top is a BSA light pattern???
The gun in the middle is a Belgian Jean Marck model Gem pattern, possibly a no.1 or no.2, difficult to tell without handling it.
bottom one is a Webley mk3 supertarget

 

[Mark Palmer]

The Webley is a mk3, stock conquering doesnt look factory, also the barrel looks to be tapered, so I would guess it's not a Supertarget, despite the diopter sights., I'd hazard a guess at around £275-350 for that, what caliber is it? A Supertarget has supertarget on the cylinder, a heavier barrel and is only .177. And seem to make around £100 more than the equivalent mk3
The BSA can be dated/identified from its serial number, just Google "date my BSA air rifle" and you'll get the info there, depending on model/condition £95-225 , again just a guestimate
No idea what the middle one is

 

[DaveCL]

The Webley is a mk3, stock conquering doesnt look factory, also the barrel looks to be tapered, so I would guess it's not a Supertarget, despite the diopter sights., I'd hazard a guess at around £275-350 for that, what caliber is it?
The BSA can be dated/identified from its serial number, just Google "date my BSA air rifle" and you'll get the info there, depending on model/condition £95-225 , again just a guestimate
No idea what the middle one is

The Webley mk3 supertarget does have a tapered barrel!…the supertarget barrel is straight up to the under lever catch and then it tapers out to the muzzle.

 

[Mark Palmer]

The Webley mk3 supertarget does have a tapered barrel!…the supertarget barrel is straight up to the under lever catch and then it tapers out to the muzzle.

Fair enough, I've had a few early mk3s, but not actially had a supertarget myself,

 

[DaveCL]

Fair enough, I've had a few early mk3s, but not actially had a supertarget myself,

Although…the mk3 in the pics appears to have the cut out for a standard rear sight in front of the loading tap…proper supertargets do not have the cut out…mine doesn’t anyway.

 

[DaveCL]

Re. The Gem, Look at the Tbar barrel catch, does it have “DSE 3.12.91” stamped in it?…if so this is a patent date stamp (depose) for the barrel latch and it will date from after that date 3,12,1891

 

[Steelboss]

Thanks all, very helpful info.

 

[Radlad]

Bsa at top. Stand it on the floor and measure how tall it is it ? A light pattern should be about 39-1/2 inches. If not, please let us know.
It has missing rear sight and incorrect cocking linkage bur rest doesn't seem too bad.Expect £100-£120 for that due to missing parts, they will be expensive to replace

Gem is painted over very bad pitting and pivot bolt is modern. £60 ish on that

Webley MkIII, not my scene, haven't got a clue

Hope that helps

 

[Deejayuu]

@Steelboss The Mk 3 Webley has what may be an early stock. The chequering at the pistol grip is same style as the Mk 2 Service.
Puzzled by trigger blade position. Serial No would be interesting perhaps.
Edit: Just realised the stock insert is late type and there's no heel plate like early versions

 

[DaveCL]

If it is a real supertarget then shouldn’t it be marked with the word “Supertarget” on the top of the cylinder?…because mine is…also, I think the Supertarget was only made in .177 cal?

 

[Chaz2411]

Old pre-loved rifle unknown history do they work are the barrels straight is there rust have the been fully serviced in the past year.
Looking at 60 to 70 quid for each service, stocks will need a refurb, sight unseen £120.00 for all three.

 

[rockdrill]

Although…the mk3 in the pics appears to have the cut out for a standard rear sight in front of the loading tap…proper supertargets do not have the cut out…mine doesn’t anyway.

My mistake, I just zoomed in on the image and spotted that.

I have an earlier Mk3 with a PH rearsight and standard foresight, seeing this one with both PH front and rear sights and the element holder on the bottom of the grip made me think Supertarget.

 

[rockdrill]

The Webley is a mk3, stock conquering doesnt look factory, also the barrel looks to be tapered, so I would guess it's not a Supertarget, despite the diopter sights.

The Webley mk3 supertarget does have a tapered barrel!…the supertarget barrel is straight up to the under lever catch and then it tapers out to the muzzle.

Looking at the various Supertargets shown on the Vintage Airgun Gallery, the barrel profile appears to be tapered, similar to that on a normal Mk3:

Mk3 Supertarget early style

Mk3 Supertarget late style

 

[DaveCL]

My mistake, I just zoomed in on the image and spotted that.

I have an earlier Mk3 with a PH rearsight and standard foresight, seeing this one with both PH front and rear sights and the element holder on the bottom of the grip made me think Supertarget.

Yes, I must admit I thought it was a proper supertarget at first until I spotted the standard rear sight dovetail cut out…and I guess I might be wrong about that too, perhaps some did have the standard rearsight fitted infront of the loading port??…thought PH diopter was the standard rear sight for the model??