HW80 .25 FAC Worth Getting?

Ive just ordered an ox spring,back in the 80,s i done a lot of work with 80,s which always included an ox spring, i have a soft spot for ox springs, Deleted member glided the piston, and made a guide set, but the spring broke in the 700 rounds break in of piston seal and using a load of rhino 25, pellets up, the spring was a new titan hw35 spring which ive had for donkeys years,hence using that in the 80, frog is going to make me another guide set, as the guide set Deleted member made is 2 wide for springs i have here, i will get him 2 make me a set for the 2 springs i will have, the 1 that came out of the 80 when i bought it, i have no f in idea how they wven got it in there!! Nuff said,but the springs as straight as a die,lets hope some more people chip in ab fac 80,s in all cals!! Is there an optimum port size in the 80,s in fac especially in 25 ??
Nightowl
 
I had a HW80 in 25. It was resonable smooth and quite accurate, however it really had a loopy trajectory. Swapped it for a 22 RWS-52. That one was 22 fpe vs 19 fpe but 22 pellets gave it a lot flatter trajectory.

Then came PCP and from there on I never gave a 25 springer any concideration.

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Around 50 fpe will give a much flatter trajectory.
 
2506sendero said:
Nice thread revival 😎
Lots of negativity about with regards to .25 Cal. springers (in both sub 12 & FAC), but after acquiring a well fettled .22 MK1 80 not long ago, i can't imagine anything more pleasant than a .25 Cal. version shooting at around 20 fpe, possibly a tad more 😎
My current sub 12/25 boinger shoots 20.06 grain FTT's around the 500 fps mark, and the same goes for my Leshiy PCP, and coupled with the .22 barrel + RS, the other .177 & .20 barrels are practically unused and gathering dust.
The only "downside" that i can see to owning a .25 cal FAC springer, is moving it into the secondary market if it doesn't hit the spot, but i for one, would love to try one 👍
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Hence why i did it with mine being tatty . Not point putting a tidy one on FAC as they wont be worth much to sell on , I remember seeing tidy ones selling for less than £100 a few years back and they were on the sites selling them for a very long time.

I wont be bothered handing mine in for destruction or selling it for pennies but had it been in better condition it would not be so easy to let it go .
 
Bighit said:
Hence why i did it with mine being tatty . Not point putting a tidy one on FAC as they wont be worth much to sell on , I remember seeing tidy ones selling for less than £100 a few years back and they were on the sites selling them for a very long time.

I wont be bothered handing mine in for destruction or selling it for pennies but had it been in better condition it would not be so easy to let it go .
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Bit like the FAC Rapids then Paul - still an extremely efficient tool in FAC guise, but worth considerably less than sub 12 if you want to sell 👍
 
2506sendero said:
Bit like the FAC Rapids then Paul - still an extremely efficient tool in FAC guise, but worth considerably less than sub 12 if you want to sell 👍
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Sell ? Sell ? - chop & change ? That'd get you the "Rack" in earlier & darker times, on grounds of Heresy... Joan of Ark sold her fire extinguishers...! Look what happened to Icarus, going far afield, to save postage on a new rifle, ' cause he sold his !...the list is long & numerous of reasons not to sell, looking for greener pastures is oft folly....or worse.☹️😯😆
 
chouchin66 said:
Sell ? Sell ? - chop & change ? That'd get you the "Rack" in earlier & darker times, on grounds of Heresy... Joan of Ark sold her fire extinguishers...! Look what happened to Icarus, going far afield, to save postage on a new rifle, ' cause he sold his !...the list is long & numerous of reasons not to sell, looking for greener pastures is oft folly....or worse.☹️😯😆
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I was talking in general terms Chris - like your good self, i am a keen buyer of air rifles, but my selling record of said irons is not a good one 😉
 
Reading some USA publications, .25 Hades gets good reviews , HAM. Hard Air Magazine.
However, muzzle energy from test rifle was 49.4 ft-lbs.
A HW 80 will only likely achieve 40% of that figure, giving a flight path and drop off equivalent to a sub 12 in 22 calibre. the amount of holdover after 40 metres rising exponentially.
If the reason for going FAC is to extend the range for a clean kill, 22 seems more suited for anything 40 metre plus.
For rats and ferals up to 30 metres, .25 FAC , HW80 will be devastating. Only the OP can decide if worthwhile.
 
Running the #s, a sub 12 in .25 is a ( flying close) a 25 yard rifle/ system...mapped out & right pellet, a perhaps 30 yard unit, until the bottom falls out...
A FAC bouncer in .25 is probably best @ 35 & in...but that's all that's needed from a springer... Even a svelt .20 @ 16 #s only buys ~ maybe 10 yards , at the extreme, for sane shooting - all beyond that is .22 RF territory. Tailor weapon to distance & conditions, always.
 
2506sendero said:
Bit like the FAC Rapids then Paul - still an extremely efficient tool in FAC guise, but worth considerably less than sub 12 if you want to sell 👍
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The market for FAC airguns is tiny compared to Sub12 as you know so selling is always going to be hard unless its sought after and some one has a slot empty and wants it
 
If going through the motions, WTF would you " doll up" & sell a FAC springer anyhow...all it takes up is ~ 4" x 45" of closet space ?
 
chouchin66 said:
If going through the motions, WTF would you " doll up" & sell a FAC springer anyhow...all it takes up is ~ 4" x 45" of closet space ?
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Some people like to own airguns running at the power they were designed for or as close to it and in my case the rifle was going to cost more than it was worth to refurb it so I added it to my cert and as I say I'm not bothered about devaluing it by putting it on my FAC.

You forget we also have limits on what amount of rifles we can own . So if I wanted another rifle and i had what my licensing office said what i was my limit and if I then wanted another then one would have to go.
 
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Bighit said:
Some people like to own airguns running at the power they were designed for or as close to it and in my case the rifle was going to cost more than it was worth to refurb it so I added it to my cert and as I say I'm not bothered about devaluing it by putting it on my FAC.
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I'm on your side , Paul ...if you want a FAC springer, by all means, fill your boots... But keep it ! Who the heck cares about resale value ?
 
chouchin66 said:
I'm on your side , Paul ...if you want a FAC springer, by all means, fill your boots... But keep it ! Who the heck cares about resale value ?
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I edited my post .

Some who have spent a fair bit may care about the resale value if they had to sell one to get another if they are told they are at their limit on what they can own legally when it comes to licensed airguns and I don't mean sub 12 on the AWC.

One in and one out or forget about adding another.
 
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I edited my post .

Some who have spent a fair bit may care about the resale value if they had to sell one to get another if they are told they are at their limit on what they can own.
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Culture shock , on my part... I want a rifle, I budget for it, no need to sell one on to make places for new stock...need be, build a bigger cabinet. I'm just a simple fella, so take simple solutions...
Airguns ( springers , at least, are cheap).
 
chouchin66 said:
Culture shock , on my part... I want a rifle, I budget for it, no need to sell one on to make places for new stock...need be, build a bigger cabinet. I'm just a simple fella, so take simple solutions...
Airguns ( springers , at least, are cheap).
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Everybody's circumstances are different though for many reasons.
 
I had a .25 HW90 in FAC, was no where near as nice to shoot than a .22 HW80 in FAC & produced a wee bit less power.
 
mattw975 said:
I had a .25 HW90 in FAC, was no where near as nice to shoot than a .22 HW80 in FAC & produced a wee bit less power.
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Apples & Oranges, brother...you're comparing a rammer, with an inertia weight against an honest springer...
Both could be a match up though, given the pellet/ velocity/ tuning match....
 
chouchin66 said:
If going through the motions, WTF would you " doll up" & sell a FAC springer anyhow...all it takes up is ~ 4" x 45" of closet space ?
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Here, there is a limitation of the number of FAC you can have.

I can have 4 right away, with an additional 2 if I can present a reasonable "need".

My choice was 2 rimfires and 2 FAC air (one being 12 fpe since our legal limit is 8 fpe).
 
JohnnySweden said:
Here, there is a limitation of the number of FAC you can have.
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I can have 4 right away, with an additional 2 if I can present a reasonable "need".

My choice was 2 rimfires and 2 FAC air (one being 12 fpe since our legal limit is 8 fpe).
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There is actually no limit on the amount of rifles you can own !! But with rifles you have to justify why you need them, shotguns you dont have to justify, but normally after 11 guns you will have to start having better security measures in place i.e alarms/cctv
Nightowl
 
chouchin66 said:
Apples & Oranges, brother...you're comparing a rammer, with an inertia weight against an honest springer...
Both could be a match up though, given the pellet/ velocity/ tuning match....
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The HW90 was pleasant to shoot, I was amazed that despite extensive tuning it never made the power in .25. The .22 HW80 just seemed more balanced & smooth at around 18-19 fpe
 
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