I have no working knowledge of PCPs at all but I could understand an unreg'd gun through it's sweet pressure range being more consistent than a reg'd gun IF the reg'd guns regs are not totally consistent. I.e. Would expect cylinder pressure to fall gradually as gas is used during shooting, so fairly consistent between shots, where-as if a reg filled some chamber to 105bar on some shots and 115 bar on other shots the unreg'd gun might be more consistent during (say) a set of 5 shots.
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HFT 500 unregulated anxiety
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yes you pretty much have it, an unregged gun working say on a 220cc cylinder or bottle wont change much pressure over a few shots but a regulated gun has to keep a tiny say for example 12cc plenum at a certain pressure as best it can each shot, some regulator designs react quicker than others but they all wear and lose consistency with time/use..... The more complex you make something the more there is to go wrong
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Phoenixflier
Proactive member
Have to say that I hear a fair amount of whinging about replacing duff regs up at the club. So glad I went for the hft500.
Boysey
Super member
I have shot both side by side and in theory the XTI barreled version should be better (stiffer) but I couldn't come to a conclusion as to what was the better choice.
As you may already know, no two barrels are identical and the original LW barrel was a stunner.
The barrel on the XTI version however was brand new and mine has had probably 20,000+ pellets through it, so it was difficult to assess in real time.
So really the jury is out. I don't consider AA sell bad barrels, just some are better than others.
So I guess it's your call..... Good luck.
jesim1
Member Extraordinaire
Reg goes from 200 down to 100 in normal use, so I guess it's just spookily flat on the "curve"
pjsaunders70
Keen member
I do have a TM1000 on order, I have read a few posts on here that causes me concern as to their quality. So was pondering the HFT 500.
Jay.T
Busy member
Look on th + side , it is one less thing to go wrong
Just look at the amount of threads alone on this forum nevermind others
when they are good they are good , but many seem to go south and require fixing, exactly the conversation i had today with my rfd.
So many rifles being sent back. Even jeffsky talking about changing his in the new XTI.
Just look at the amount of threads alone on this forum nevermind others
when they are good they are good , but many seem to go south and require fixing, exactly the conversation i had today with my rfd.
So many rifles being sent back. Even jeffsky talking about changing his in the new XTI.
Gratz
Proactive member
I shoot an unregulated HFT500 with an XTi barrel. I actually ordered one with the original barrel and didn't realise I'd got the XTi until after I tried it.
No way it's going back. Most accurate thing I've ever shot
No way it's going back. Most accurate thing I've ever shot
M1664
Super member
If youve got the smarts to understand how a reg works, a little bit of reading and im sure you'll get the jist of an unregged.That’s the anxiety done away with. Thanks everyone. Time to take the plunge me thinks.
Partly due to not knowing the mechanics of how an unregulated gun controls air pressure, whilst I understand how a regulated gun can. If that makes sense.
BTW, ive never known of an unregged rifle to have a reg failure
You’ll be fine, the RAW regs are the same design as the old Rapid regs and excellent.
Matt@Nearfield
Super member
I'm with you completely. I would like on and if I do I will have to put a reg in it. I dont understand how putting a reg in it can spoil it?
Matt@Nearfield
Super member
Why wouldn't it be? Logically. It's presenting a consistent pressure to the valve for every shot, so every tap on the valve should release the same sized slug of air. Ipso facto more consistency shot to shot?
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zx6fighter
Member Extraordinaire
If it's been regged, the original gauge will only read reg pressure.
Chances are if it's been regged it will have had a gauge and quick fill put on the front of the cylinder.
I've got two HFT 500s, one regged, one unregged. The only advantage of the regged gun is it's fill it to 200 bar and forget about it.
M1664
Super member
And when (not if) the reg fails?
Same as my high to low bar as my CZ S200
Matt@Nearfield
Super member
Err. Not really a concern is it? They usually last for years and years. Id expect to be changing the cylinders more, and thats every 10 years.
It doesn’t, as long as it’s a well designed and made regulator. The issue is with fitting regulators to some guns, such as the Air Arms S Series (HFT500) they’re not easy to set up and take some work to install. Even regulated gun have an optimum setting and aren’t always correctly set up from the factory. It took me 8-9 months to work out the regulator setting parameters for the HW100 models and calibres. Even then, when I fitted a Lane regulator in my HW100 20 and removed the factory set up, the regulator setting parameters were lower and outside the parameters, it wasn’t such an issue as I was only dealing with one gun.
Luckily we’ve had the Lane tutorial videos and they’ve helped and guided many of us, allowing us to understand much more about regulators.
Matt@Nearfield
Super member
Ah, yes, I can imagine throwing any old thing in any old how would make things worse.
A lot worse Matt, there are regulators out there that are hard to adjust to the exactly correct setting and also go out of adjustment very easily.
The original Ben Taylor reg used in the Rapid MK2 and derivatives and later the early FX’s are a great design and have stood the test of time.