It may be due to what I posted in posted in post 53.
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Hunting Dealing with pigeons.
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That and laws in this country now have to be written to cover the minority p1ss takers.
Guy 2 farms down from me (complete moron) enjoys nothing more than shooting foxes for no reason (property is purely agricultural - no live stock), same farmer was also boasting about ‘thinning a badger set a year or so ago’ and also his desire to despatch a crane because he has recently dug a large pond. He’s a typical old fart farmer who has got away with it for years and would whinge if he got prosecuted. Same as the muppets who rip down the M6 at 110mph then cry in the magistrates courts about loosing their job if they loose their license.
The tighter the laws the less margin for error and the reason ours are becoming more stringent over other countries is because we now have a society in this country, that feels the need to push boundaries for the sake of it.
Even looking at the air gun laws in this country, how many people are plinking in their garden within 50ft of the centre of a public road, or, are plinking in their garden of a rented property without the owners permission - both are an offence.
That hurts
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Nothing wrong or illegal about controlling foxes since they have a big range and will be taking fowl and lambs on surrounding farms.
Badgers are obviously a no, unless he was taking part in the national cull.
Nothing illegal whatsoever about shooting in your garden within 50ft of the centre of the highway as long as you are not causing distress to neighbours or passers by - even then, it's a bit of a moot point if you can show you have taken all necessary precautions to ensure pellets don't leave your boundary and you have a quiet backstop.
As above . the 50ft rule is not as simple as some think .
[F2(2)If a person without lawful authority or excuse—
(a)lights any fire on or over a highway which consists of or comprises a carriageway; or
(b)discharges any firearm or firework within 50 feet of the centre of such a highway,
and in consequence a user of the highway is injured, interrupted or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.]
The Highways Act does not apply in Scotland but Procurators Fiscal may use common law offences of ‘culpable and reckless conduct’ and ‘reckless endangerment’ in situations in which the 1980 Act would be contravened in England and Wales.
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That hurts
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The sweaties are so much more sensible - are you still target shooting with your 50 cal BMG ?
No . I got fed up trying to reinstate the backstop in the garden as it was blowing through in only a few shotsThe sweaties are so much more sensible - are you still target shooting with your 50 cal BMG ?
I have read many a post from shooter's up here saying we can even shoot from a vehicle ON the road but you would need the land owners permission to do so.
Not something I would do myself mind you.
Vy Rark Orro
Active member
It must be over fifty years ago but I remember seeing wood pigeons for sale in a freezer in Sainsbury's.
We have the same problem. We live out in a country village with a former stud nearby. When we aren't overrun by wood pidgeons we have the feral pigeons which now occupy the former stud. They have the fruit off the trees and the mess all over the windows roofs and patios needs hosing off at least daily. Like you, I have cosidered shooting them but the lack of clarity around licences and sensitive neighbours has prevented me doing just that. Netting is not an option for us and they just laugh at the local birds of prey which rarely bother due to the easy pickings all around.
Game dealers still sell them but they would need to have been shot for the reasons the GL allows rather than shot for food only which some are guilty of doing and claiming they are shooting under the GL conditions. A by product of pest control.
One even went as far as saying he did not have enough to fulfil his local game dealers order for woodies. I dare say pest control was not his main reason for shooting them.
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redwolf
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during march/april planting here,there was supercells of woodpigeons doing the rounds, 500/600 in a flock.
bummer being a farmer when that lot land on your osr field.
next farm over, decoyed 180 in a day
bummer being a farmer when that lot land on your osr field.
next farm over, decoyed 180 in a day
Andyshoots
Hunting Member
Same here, it’s common for the lads around here to have a couple of hundred on a good day.
Cammie1314
Super member
Please don't assume that we are liars. Some of us do actually have some scruples. I work in Forensics, I have a small holding with a wood, I have loads of pigeon, crows, rooks and magpies etc. I have an FAC/SGC/AWL do you really think I'm going to risk job and Certs for a flippin fat old Woodie?! I have zero legal reason to shoot them. Actually I kinda like them and their antics. So as we say in the Frozen North 'awa an bile yer heid min!'Permission to speak freely without risk of being banned
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I can’t actually believe what I’m seeing here and elsewhere on the forum regarding pigeons as pests
It’s openly discussed shooting killing rats, mice, squirrels, rabbits etc etc
And everyone joins in in the back slapping !!
Yet we are supposed to believe that all you lot out in your garden or on your “perms” point the gun down when pigeons come along !!!!
Sorry but do you take us all for idiots!!
It’s like saying market traders, window cleaners, taxi’s, take aways, car washes, self employed tradesmen… etc etc
Like they all declare every penny they earnyet we know damn well that they declare the absolute minimum they can get away with, but in the eyes of the law.. “oh yes sir, I declare every penny!!
Let’s all cut the bull and say it as it is..
The law says you should NOT shoot pigeons and it’s a legal offence to do so in almost all domestic situations
That’s it, no need to all get on our high horses and preach to all and sundry. The law is clear
These types of threads reminds me of buses that say OXO on the side, they don’t sell em!!
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Doesn't that work out as each pigeon eating 400lbs of grain. No wonder they get a bit chubby
Rammersandtwangers
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@Blue-boy There are so many pigeons around that you are unlikely to make an impression that will save your fruit! You would be better off looking at something like this:
Have you used one ?@Blue-boy There are so many pigeons around that you are unlikely to make an impression that will save your fruit! You would be better off looking at something like this:
Lots of videos on Youtube and a few saying it does not work .
One here with the Pigeon sitting right next to it.
worked for a few weeks then the pigeons were back .
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Others may work though.
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Gr8fun Targets
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Hi all.
I'm going to weigh in with a theory and will be happy to hear other people's thoughts.
As already quoted
I think that the fact you are using a gun to control these birds demonstrates that, in fact, you are satisfied that the other alternative methods (regardless of trying them) are ineffective or impractical, regardless of anyone else's opinion.
Furthermore,
Thus, shooting a wood pigeon in your garden, for example, could very well be done on behalf of any and all, farmers within flying distance of where you released your pellet. A wood pigeon apparently will consume 25 kg of grain in a year, and they don't care who owns it.
Just my 2p worth, I'm not trying to upset anyone and I'm always happy to learn, I just have a very literal point of view when reading such documents.
Full documentation can be found here for fact checking purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-wild-birds-to-prevent-serious-damage#table-1
I hope this helps
Dan
I'm going to weigh in with a theory and will be happy to hear other people's thoughts.
As already quoted
Clearly, from the highlighted parts above, it does not matter what ANYONE else thinks is a reasonable endeavour, the only person that needs to be satisfied is you (or the person authorising you..)
I think that the fact you are using a gun to control these birds demonstrates that, in fact, you are satisfied that the other alternative methods (regardless of trying them) are ineffective or impractical, regardless of anyone else's opinion.
Furthermore,
This section does not actually specify that the "foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, fisheries or inland waters" must be your property.
Thus, shooting a wood pigeon in your garden, for example, could very well be done on behalf of any and all, farmers within flying distance of where you released your pellet. A wood pigeon apparently will consume 25 kg of grain in a year, and they don't care who owns it.
Just my 2p worth, I'm not trying to upset anyone and I'm always happy to learn, I just have a very literal point of view when reading such documents.
Full documentation can be found here for fact checking purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-wild-birds-to-prevent-serious-damage#table-1
I hope this helps
Dan
PistolDan
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Nice thought but I certainly wouldn’t rely on that as a suitable defence so wouldn’t pull the trigger in the first place.
Rammersandtwangers
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No, not used one but it was more the idea of the op looking at alternatives like bird scarers etc.Have you used one ?
Lots of videos on Youtube and a few saying it does not work .
One here with the Pigeon sitting right next to it.
worked for a few weeks then the pigeons were back .
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Others may work though.
People in the legal profession sometimes refer to "the man on the Clapham ombibus" when the law uses terms that are open to interpretation.
So, for example if considering whether someone's behaviour had caused public offence, the court would consider whether an average person would have been offended by the behaviour.
While the wording of the licence is open to interpretation, my gut feel would be that a court would be unlikely to agree with a defence that the defendent earnestly believed his/her actions were reasonable when 99% of the rest of society believed the actions to be unreasonable.
It is correct the licence does not specifically require the pigeons that are being culled to be on the same property or even near to the property as the crops that are being protected. I suspect, however the court would probably not interpret the intention of the licence in a way that would enable one to cull pigeons in the knowledge they will fly off to an another property and damage crops.
I guess we do not as yet have any legal precedents relating to this particular act and the general licence. This would happen when a case was presented to a court and the court considered how the law should be interpreted. Once this takes place, other courts are required to consider this original test case when considering the particulars of the new case.
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RockSolidAlibi
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It shouldn’t matter whether the crop grown is for your own subsistence or commercial. You would be best asking permission to shoot on the field behind or at least telling them as the pellets are likely to leave the boundary of your garden.
Little off topic:
I notice a lot on this forum of the vilification of animals to justify their shooting them. Pigeons are not dirty nor are they “flying rats” i also find it silly people will call them “feral” despite their never having been captive to begin with. I guess saying you shoot “feral winged rats” sounds nicer to them than saying wild pigeon. Shoot them if you wish or need to but give them the respect they deserve.
Little off topic:
I notice a lot on this forum of the vilification of animals to justify their shooting them. Pigeons are not dirty nor are they “flying rats” i also find it silly people will call them “feral” despite their never having been captive to begin with. I guess saying you shoot “feral winged rats” sounds nicer to them than saying wild pigeon. Shoot them if you wish or need to but give them the respect they deserve.