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To anyone that owns a daystate with electronics, how reliable are they?
Can anyone explain the benefits comparison to a simple mechanical rifle.
 
Denbo73 said:
To anyone that owns a daystate with electronics, how reliable are they?
Can anyone explain the benefits comparison to a simple mechanical rifle.
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I’ve had 1 issue with my Daystate Alphawolf in the almost 2 years of ownership.

I left it switched on and the battery died so much that the system wouldn’t charge it, Luckily leaving it unplugged from the rifle while I was looking for a solution, gave the battery a rest and the rifle charged once plugged back in.

My own fault really for leaving it on for around a month, never had an issue since.
 
I have had 3 MK3 rifles, 6 MK4 a Pulsar and an Alpha Wolf plus 5 Red Wolfs… Very fast lock time and sublime triggers all help to achieve very high levels of accuracy with no effort other than shooters skill..

Never had a problem with any of them, but I have always charged them at least once a month which I believe is the key to reliability….
 
Had and still got a sub 12 .177 Redwolf --5 yrs plus . No issues with it what so ever, Just need to take care when charging the Battery as wire connectors could easily be damaged. Like all barrels just need to find the pellet that suits but have to say mine is not pellet critical but it seems the heavier one's give a marginally better group.
 
Had an Airwolf MVT.
Rock solid.
"Bob on" accurate, nearly a tinfull of pellets per full bottle. Powder coated, quiet, battery charged once a month - no issues. It came to me in used condition, but worked as new.
Traded it in for an HFT 500 which I'm very happy with too.
Only swapped because my shooting was more target based and needed a different style of stock really.
Wouldn't hesitate to have another electronic Daystate cylinder gun - if the need arose.
 
Less moving parts = less to go wrong... Just like with anything electronic, look after the battery and you'll be fine. Normal LiPo rules apply, don't let it get too low or you'll have to get creative to charge it, but they can easily be permanently rescued even if it does get too low. I can't recommend them highly enough...
 
I've heard it said that electronic triggers have a fast lock time but I don't understand why.

If lock time is the delay between the end of the shooter's input and the pellet leaving the barrel, how can it speed-up the already extremely fast operation of the lightweight sear etc, when there has to be a sear of some sort to release the valve?

Yes, a shorter lock time will mean any movement of the gun after the shooter operates the trigger will have less effect on acuracy, and so short lock time is good, but how do electronic valve-releasers achieve that shorter lock time?
 
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Antos' said:
I've heard it said that electronic triggers have a fast lock time but I don't understand why.

If lock time is the delay between the end of the shooter's input and the pellet leaving the barrel, how can it speed-up the already extremely fast operation of the lightweight sear etc, when there has to be a sear of some sort to release the valve?

Yes, a shorter lock time will mean any movement of the gun after the shooter operates the trigger will have less effect on acuracy, and so short lock time is good, but how do electronic valve-releasers achieve that shorter lock time?
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Because the solenoid is faster acting on the firing valve than a hammer spring can ever be so the valve opens super fast giving a fast lock time.
 
Antos' said:
I've heard it said that electronic triggers have a fast lock time but I don't understand why.

If lock time is the delay between the end of the shooter's input and the pellet leaving the barrel, how can it speed-up the already extremely fast operation of the lightweight sear etc, when there has to be a sear of some sort to release the valve?

Yes, a shorter lock time will mean any movement of the gun after the shooter operates the trigger will have less effect on acuracy, and so short lock time is good, but how do electronic valve-releasers achieve that shorter lock time?
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Electronics often give a faster response time than mechanical, assuming there's no 'lag'. The electronic guns use a solenoid.
 
Mattyw1987 said:
Because the solenoid is faster acting on the firing valve than a hammer spring can ever be so the valve opens super fast giving a fast lock time.
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Thanks both.

Then to address the reliability question, are there any designs which don't try to be too clever and just place the (very specialised) trigger switch in series with the battery and solenoid? No electronics or - heaven forbid - time-lifed Chinese processors necessary. Just maybe a buffer transistor/thyristor. These will always be available but by the time the processor dies it will be obsolete and you will be totally reliant on the manufacturer for a programmed processor of that type.

I suppose the processor based electronics is very cheap and makes the gun look really shiny, and the manufacturers only care abt immediate sales.
 
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Not sure there is a decernable difference between mechanical and electronic in practice It's nothing you're really going to notice, sure the electronic system is just a case of trigger switch contact waiting for the software to do its thing before releasing the electronically release hammer, whereas with mechanical it its the trigger that releases the hammer yes there are sears to move and a spring moves the hammer but I would count the lock time in milliseconds for both so bit of a myth IMO.
 
Antos' said:
Thanks both.

Then to address the reliability question, are there any designs which don't try to be too clever and just place the (very specialised) trigger switch in series with the battery and solenoid? No electronics or - heaven forbid - time-lifed Chinese processors necessary. Just maybe a buffer transistor.
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I mean if it has a battery it has electronics so that would be impossible, also they used a electronic pressure sensor to relay info back to the processor so it can calculate how much it needs to open the valve to keep consistency it’s a clever set up and can’t be made simply and regain consistency.
 
Entirely mechanical target guns achieve consistent performance with fire-and-forget, with all the cost of the mechanical sear parts. A solenoid has to be cheaper to produce. Is all the bling necessary for all the market points?

With a thyristor controlling a solenoid the gun could be marketed as having electronic control but further marketed as being future-proof - but now I'm thread-drifting....
 
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On the subject of just a cheap solenoid and switch and no professor you would just end up with a gun like your average mechanical non regulated gun so a similar power curve, the processor acts as the regulator as it does in the early Mk4 without the chrono feedback, the later guns have a reg to just make things easier for the software programmer.
 
Antos' said:
Thanks both.

Then to address the reliability question, are there any designs which don't try to be too clever and just place the (very specialised) trigger switch in series with the battery and solenoid? No electronics or - heaven forbid - time-lifed Chinese processors necessary. Just maybe a buffer transistor/thyristor. These will always be available but by the time the processor dies it will be obsolete and you will be totally reliant on the manufacturer for a programmed processor of that type.

I suppose the processor based electronics is very cheap and makes the gun look really shiny, and the manufacturers only care abt immediate sales.
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From what I've seen, and I don't or ever owned one, there are 3 capacitors on the control board, that to me suggests each one is used in turn so as to provide a faster action on the solenoid, as you use one the other 2 are charging ready for subsequent, consistent powered shots.
 
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