Bottle Compressor Help Please.

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Hi Guys.
I have a 7 litre bottle and I am considering buying my own compressor, this is a vague area for me, so can anybody please give me advice on which one to get.or some names of Bottle compressors so I can research a few. I have a budget of £400 ish. I only have two rifles and a my 7 litre bottle will last me a few weeks so the compressor will not have a hard life.
Thanks All.
 
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My thoughts

Personally, for a 7L bottle I would go for a Hill (had mine for just coming up 3 years) or a Ying Tong (mine lasted 6 months, but these are a fantastic budget option and can last for many years). Depends on budget, convenience (Hill is air cooled no external water required), noise (Hill is very quiet), customer support (Hill are fantastic and are a member on here @HillPumps giving a forum 5% discount), buying British (Hill)........

The latest Hill is the EC310 Evo.

If going the Ying Tong route I would buy from Amazon, like this, probably a bit more expensive than Ebay but the warranty is so much better.

Whatever you decide I would recommend extra filtration. This is a major rabbit hole but once you decide on the compressor we can give guidance on the filtration.

PS my links are for clarity not necessarily the best price or a recommend of who to buy from.
 
I bought a Creworks 300 bar autostop compressor from Ebay back in July. It cost just under £200. I use it to fill a 6.8L bottle. It took awhile for the inital fill but if you are just topping the bottle back up to 300bar it only takes a few minutes each time. I haven't had any issues with it. I would recommend changing the filter pad every few fills and also get an additional filter with dessicant to dry the air.
 
sagalout said:
My thoughts

Personally, for a 7L bottle I would go for a Hill (had mine for just coming up 3 years) or a Ying Tong (mine lasted 6 months, but these are a fantastic budget option and can last for many years). Depends on budget, convenience (Hill is air cooled no external water required), noise (Hill is very quiet), customer support (Hill are fantastic and are a member on here @HillPumps giving a forum 5% discount), buying British (Hill)........

The latest Hill is the EC310 Evo.

If going the Ying Tong route I would buy from Amazon, like this, probably a bit more expensive than Ebay but the warranty is so much better.

Whatever you decide I would recommend extra filtration. This is a major rabbit hole but once you decide on the compressor we can give guidance on the filtration.

PS my links are for clarity not necessarily the best price or a recommend of who to buy from.
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Thank you Sagalout.
 
@Tankie1rtr - just to offer an alternate perspective, as you only have two rifles, neither of which need filling to ultra high pressure (the FTP900 won't need more than 190 Bar and the MPR FT will want less than that), personally I would stick with a bottle.

Perhaps consider going for a larger carbon fibre cylinder to give you more fills between trips to get the bottle filled, it is lighter in weight than a steel bottle, and if fitted with airgun charging valve head (integrate gauge) it has a 5 year test cycle.

Perhaps something along the lines of this 9L carbon fibre bottle from Best Fittings: 9L Carbon Fibre Bottle

Now, I have gone over to a compressor and have a Hill Evo310, however, being a shooter and a collector, as well as doing my own servicing, given I have about 30 pre-charged guns, getting the compressor makes sense both financially and for convenience, even though I have a dive shop in fairly close proximity.

If I only had one or two rifles, a cylinder makes better sense (actually it was two for me, one large one at home 10L -12L 300 Bar and a small 2L - 2.5L to take to the range unless your club has bottles for filling whilst there).
 
Or another alternative get a daystate redwolf or similar and get a massive shot count per fill then the bottle option works just fine.
I fill mine to 210 and get over 300 shots per fill.
Permitted fill is 250 and near 400 shots per fill.
300 shots is plenty for range sessions and many HFT comps and zeroing.
I fill about once a month compared to twice weekly for when I use my hft 500 or HW100.
Hills pump cost is halfway to cost of redwolf time you add in the filters and mucking about with servicing and space to keep it.. my 7L bottle lasts me about 6 months maybe more. I carry a day-tripper bottle in my gunbag but only ever used for my hw100 and usually filling others guns. never had to fill the redwolf from it.
Dancing banana
 
First question would be - why do you want a compressor? Is it financial, convenience etc?

In your situation, with those two rifles I think @rockdrill hit the nail on the head - carbon fibre 9L bottle. There are calculators online which will tell you how many fills you will get on a 300 bar fill.

If its pure convenience, then the hills I think is a good choice - although I would also then go the 5L carbon route for when you are at the range.

Another option is the nomad/tuxing offering direct fill to a rifle....I found that to be too much faff though (although I am known to be mega lazy) :)

If I was buying another compressor at this point it would be the Colitri/Daystate one - purely because I can and I like to fill my 12L carbon weekly. :-) Although if Omega got their act together in the UK and provided some detailed servcing guides (like hills), then I would happily stick to Omega.
 
I've got a tuxing one and rarely use my bottle now as I just fill my guns directly with it. (HFT500 and Ghost+).

I have tried to top up my 5l bottle with the conpressor but it is a very long process (180 bar to 250). I am aware that my compressor isn't really designed for large bottle filling. I might invest in a small 1.5l bottle for weekends away - just for the HFT really as the ghost will do over 400 shots per fill.

Not really sure why you would need a massive bottle when you can fill directly from the compressor?

Good luck with your search
 
rockdrill said:
@Tankie1rtr - just to offer an alternate perspective, as you only have two rifles, neither of which need filling to ultra high pressure (the FTP900 won't need more than 190 Bar and the MPR FT will want less than that), personally I would stick with a bottle.

Perhaps consider going for a larger carbon fibre cylinder to give you more fills between trips to get the bottle filled, it is lighter in weight than a steel bottle, and if fitted with airgun charging valve head (integrate gauge) it has a 5 year test cycle.

Perhaps something along the lines of this 9L carbon fibre bottle from Best Fittings: 9L Carbon Fibre Bottle

Now, I have gone over to a compressor and have a Hill Evo310, however, being a shooter and a collector, as well as doing my own servicing, given I have about 30 pre-charged guns, getting the compressor makes sense both financially and for convenience, even though I have a dive shop in fairly close proximity.

If I only had one or two rifles, a cylinder makes better sense (actually it was two for me, one large one at home 10L -12L 300 Bar and a small 2L - 2.5L to take to the range unless your club has bottles for filling whilst there).
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Hi Buddy.
Thanks for that, I was wanting the compressor not for directly filling my rifles, but for filling my 7 litre bottle. I will have to check now, I can't remember if it's a 5 litre or a 7, it may be a 5.
 
I think with that sort of budget, you'll be asking a lot, of a compressor

I went through this some years ago, with the intention of filling cylinders. I quickly realised, its just quicker and easier to fill rifles and binned my cylinders
 
robs5230 said:
I think with that sort of budget, you'll be asking a lot, of a compressor

I went through this some years ago, with the intention of filling cylinders. I quickly realised, its just quicker and easier to fill rifles and binned my cylinders
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Thanks Robs,
I was considering that, but if I spend a day shooting at the range, I will use the amount in my rifle cylinder, and we don't have electric at the range.
 
Lampy said:
Or another alternative get a daystate redwolf or similar and get a massive shot count per fill then the bottle option works just fine.
I fill mine to 210 and get over 300 shots per fill.
Permitted fill is 250 and near 400 shots per fill.
300 shots is plenty for range sessions and many HFT comps and zeroing.
I fill about once a month compared to twice weekly for when I use my hft 500 or HW100.
Hills pump cost is halfway to cost of redwolf time you add in the filters and mucking about with servicing and space to keep it.. my 7L bottle lasts me about 6 months maybe more. I carry a day-tripper bottle in my gunbag but only ever used for my hw100 and usually filling others guns. never had to fill the redwolf from it.
Dancing banana
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Arrrrghhhh Lampy. I could never change my rifles, I am in love with them both. I have my Air Arms FTP900 with Optisan CP 10x32 Scope for HFT and my Air Arms S400 MPR FT with Big Nikko Scope that I have just bought to have a go at FT. they are a marriage made in Heaven (Well in York really) my bottle is only 5 litres, although Thanks to Jack Daniels I posted it was 7 litres, (I hate that Daniels, he makes me get things wrong, and gets my wife to argue with me) It just a drag taking my bottle on a 60 mile round trip to get it filled, then having to wait 2 hours for it. hence the thought of looking into a compressor. Hunting gif
 
Tim_B said:
First question would be - why do you want a compressor? Is it financial, convenience etc?

In your situation, with those two rifles I think @rockdrill hit the nail on the head - carbon fibre 9L bottle. There are calculators online which will tell you how many fills you will get on a 300 bar fill.

If its pure convenience, then the hills I think is a good choice - although I would also then go the 5L carbon route for when you are at the range.

Another option is the nomad/tuxing offering direct fill to a rifle....I found that to be too much faff though (although I am known to be mega lazy) :)

If I was buying another compressor at this point it would be the Colitri/Daystate one - purely because I can and I like to fill my 12L carbon weekly. :-) Although if Omega got their act together in the UK and provided some detailed servcing guides (like hills), then I would happily stick to Omega.
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Thanks Tim B.
The weight of the bottle doesnt really bother me. I said it was a 7 litre, its actually a 5 litre, (Jack Daniells thought it was funny to make me lie) I have only just bought this bottle brand new, but If I bought a Carbon bottle, I would still need to do a 60 mile round trip and wait 2 hours to get it filled, hence me asking about a compressor. I only had a budget of £400 initially but I now have a budget of £600. as I have spent £2400 on my kit this year and the Kitchen Colonel thinks my hobby is getting expensive. but Hey, when a man retires he needs a hobby, she has already murdered my Blow Up Doll..... :confused::confused:
 
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UPDATE On my initial Post for Compressor....
I stated that i only had a Budget of £400 I now have a Budget of £600. so maybe this alters my initial question somewhat.
Thanks All
 
Tankie1rtr said:
UPDATE On my initial Post for Compressor....
I stated that i only had a Budget of £400 I now have a Budget of £600. so maybe this alters my initial question somewhat.
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If you are going to go down the compressor route, rather be patient, save some more and go the Hill route, better quality, British made and top notch support if needed.
 
rockdrill said:
If you are going to go down the compressor route, rather be patient, save some more and go the Hill route, better quality, British made and top notch support if needed.
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Hi Mate.
Yes I think I will do that, just out of interest, do they ever come up for sale second hand on the forum ?
 
Tankie1rtr said:
Thanks Robs,
I was considering that, but if I spend a day shooting at the range, I will use the amount in my rifle cylinder, and we don't have electric at the range.
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A lot of the smaller non water cooled compressors can be used via your car battery, eg: Nomad2 and the chinesium clones, Tuxing, etc. Just connect leads from compressor to car battery, (make sure car is running or they will drain the battery), and refill guns while at the range, easy....
Nb: If you go down this route, I put longer leads on mine, as the standard ones are quite short, so I can have the nomad in the boot whilst still connected to the car battery at the front, so no need to have the nomad sitting on the floor in the mud or precariously sitting on the car body work!
 
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