A bit of History about Yunker & Cybergun co2 bb 'AK47' air rifles

[nikvanorton]

Last piece of the Jigsaw - Type 97 (top)

 

[Didier]

Maybe you have already come across one of those, but this is the "fake" (presumably Chinese-made) AK sling Cybergun used to sell for their AK BB guns in the early 2010s.

Although they are not genuine Russian/Soviet AK slings, they are nonetheless quite well made and durable.

 

[Didier]

Last piece of the Jigsaw - Type 97 (top)

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That is far too much for just one man: remember, you only have two hands - you can't shoot more than two of them at the same time!

 

[nikvanorton]

That is far too much for just one man: remember, you only have two hands - you can't shoot more than two of them at the same time!

I've got every model Real Sword made now, Trouble is, I'm disappointed that I have nothing more to search for! The 97 & 97B were very hard to get hold of. I still suspect that the production numbers of these are fewer than people think.

Anyway, you have 2 Cybergun AK's, that's one too many!

 

[Didier]

Anyway, you have 2 Cybergun AK's, that's one too many!

Actually, I have three of them, and three Yunker BB guns, which is pretty reasonable, compared to your RealSword arsenal

 

[nikvanorton]

Actually, I have three of them, and three Yunker BB guns, which is pretty reasonable, compared to your RealSword arsenal

Touché

 

[Dan1219]

I've been looking for a Bakelite AK-74 mag for some years now. One will come along one day. I can feel it in my bones.

There’s a few East German orange ones around in the uk almost identical to the very rare Russian Izshmash marked ones

 

[John M]

There’s a few East German orange ones around in the uk almost identical to the very rare Russian Izshmash marked ones

Could you possibly point me in the right direction?

 

[Dan1219]

Could you possibly point me in the right direction?

Pm sent

 

[nikvanorton]

Well, I managed to prize this Tyrex from @02cardyd (thanks again mate ).

A version of the Russian Kedr sub-machine gun, it is made in the same factory out of many of the same parts. This absolutely has the feel of a weapon - all steel with a heavy sprung bolt. This one is semi-auto, other countries got full auto - that would be nice!
Pretty rare these, I honestly thought I'd never get hold of one. Pics below including one with it's soul mates, the Skorpion VZ61 (deactivated) and the Mac 11 (G&P kitted, airsoft).

 

[02cardyd]

Glad it’s gone to a good home

 

[Didier]

I have the full auto version: it's fun, but the fun only lasts for a few seconds at a time, which is a pity.

 

[Didier]

Here is mine:

And here is "the real thing" (actually a blank-firing PP-91 Kedr):

 

[nikvanorton]

Thanks. There doesn’t seem to be a great deal of information about either the Tyrex or the Kedr.

 

[Didier]

This is the info I provided with my video:

The TyRex BB gun is not an exact PP-91 Kedr replica (Russian: ПП-91 «Кедр», where ПП stands for пистолет-пулемёт [pistolet-pulemiot] "submachine gun"), but still, it has a lot of parts in common with it, was made alongside the real thing in the same factory, and, most importantly, it can shoot full auto. Although it was publicly showcased as early as mid-2006 (Wikipedia/Википедия), the prototype didn't appear "in the flesh" until February 2007 on a Russian airgun forum: it was, to say the least, rather rough around the edges (in true Russian fashion) - the BB SMG was clearly a rather ungainly adaptation of the already unattractive PP-91 Kedr machine pistol. The name Kedr (Кедр) itself is actually an acronym: Конструкция Евгения Драгунова (Konstruktsiya Evgeniya Dragunova), i.e. “Design by Evgeny Dragunov”. It was, to put it mildly, a rather ugly prototype, but the future series-production TyRex (ТиРэкс) was already there on the whole, and the reuse of original parts from the PP-91 machine pistol, commonly used at the time by members of the Russian Ministry of the Interior (MVD/МВД), but also favored by Russian mobsters, soon raised the enthusiasm of local airgunners. In addition to the fact that the entire interior of the gun (including the trigger mechanism) had to be gutted out, the firing lever was moved to the left side of the receiver, making it appear to be mounted upside down (which it actually is!). The original pistol grip, which was totally unsuited to the insertion of CO2 capsules, was replaced by a straight, more massive grip (a downright monstrous one, hence, perhaps, the name TyRex given to that BB gun?). Apart from the markings, everything else would appear at first glance to be in keeping with the original SMG, and with good reason, since many parts of the PP-91 were integrated into this replica: the receiver, the stock, the front sight, the pressed sheet metal receiver cover, the magazine (or at least its outer shell), the firing selector... The result is an absolutely non-compliant replica that nevertheless retains the appearance of the original firearm.

There are three TyRex variants:

• PPA-K: no folding stock, semi- and full auto firing modes (marketed in Russia only) ;
• PPA-K-01: stock, semi- and full-auto firing mode;
• PPA-K-02: semi-auto only for countries (like Germany, for instance) that prohibit burst firing.

Although this is by no means the best-looking Russian BB gun, it is without a shadow of a doubt one of the rarest Russian toys on the West European market.

 

[nikvanorton]

Although this is by no means the best-looking Russian BB gun, it is without a shadow of a doubt one of the rarest Russian toys on the West European market.

I think it looks quite at home with the Mac and the Skorpion. Non of them would win any traditional beauty contests, but they all have a brutal charm.

 

[Didier]

To go back to our RealSword stuff: black "bakelite" furniture on a Type 56-1 spiker which does remind me of our own RS Type 56-2 back furniture...

Maybe that black furniture was originally intended for a Type-56-2 side-folder.

 

[nikvanorton]

Black furniture could be something that is just for Chinese use so rarely appears to the rest of the world.

 

[nikvanorton]

@Didier
Are you going to look out for a Type 97 or a 97b? Are they easier to find in Europe?

 

[MackJoe]

Well, I managed to prize this Tyrex from @02cardyd (thanks again mate ).

A version of the Russian Kedr sub-machine gun, it is made in the same factory out of many of the same parts. This absolutely has the feel of a weapon - all steel with a heavy sprung bolt. This one is semi-auto, other countries got full auto - that would be nice!
Pretty rare these, I honestly thought I'd never get hold of one. Pics below including one with it's soul mates, the Skorpion VZ61 (deactivated) and the Mac 11 (G&P kitted, airsoft).

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That's very cool. I've always liked the look of these and remember when rushmilitary had them but never got one. Saw one at holts in the sealed bids auction but it went for a lot more than my bid haha! Great find and an excellent addition to the collection!