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Battle of Agincourt, some interesting stuff.

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When the battle of Towton battlefield was surveyed, they found 1000's of artifacts from battle, coins, arrow heads, sword bits, spurs etc. They've also found lots of bodies.
In contrast, When the battlefield was surveyed in 2003 in Agincourt, not one single artifact was found, not even an arrowhead. No bodies.
This leads me to believe they don't know where the battlefield is so I did a bit of research. The locals have a tradition that the English were camped at a place called L'Anglais which in French means 'The English'. This location is south of Agincourt just west of a place called Maisoncelle.
See this 1825 French map.
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So what I did was start sniffing around this region for disturbed ground. Right at the side of L'Anglais I found this on the 2017 google earth.
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Those metal detectorists among you that use google earth will recognise the disturbed ground.
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This is the only disturbed ground in the whole region. These are pits and they are darker because when you disturb ground you disturb the drainage and get a contrast on google earth when this happens. I found a Celtic burial site using this method.
I think the battle was in this location and its 600 yard wide as described in the accounts, it funnels downhill just like the accounts and its boggy just like the accounts. I think the battlefield looked like this: French blue, English red.
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Funelled the French into a quagmire and the archers on the flanks cut them to bits. I think the French came in from the road from Agincourt.
 
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Woodbutcher said:
Or you're right in his ... ;)
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I have the battle east to west, they still have it north south. It took me weeks to find the pits.
I don't see how they have it north south. The north side was woods. I think the French marched down the road from Agincourt and pulled right onto the battlefield.
I've read all the accounts, the French took the high ground, the land to the north drops to 105m but the land to the east is 123m which was 18m higher than the English at 105m. They have it wrong.
 
And this is when this gesture was born.
When the French managed to capture an English archer, they cut his bow string draw fingers...as a punishment.
So towards the end of the battle the English were gesturing to the French....look I still have my fingers

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Wizzygoth said:
And this is when this gesture was born.
When the French managed to capture an English archer, they cut his bow string draw fingers...as a punishment.
So towards the end of the battle the English were gesturing to the French....look I still have my fingers
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Generally accepted to be a 20th century myth ... ;)
 
I'm surprised anything made of ferrous metal survived that long.
If they found bodies did they have any teeth? Apparently after the battle women who went over with the English pulled the teeth from the dead so they could be used to make dentures when back in England.
I thought all the bodies were given a mass burial and there is a monument to them. I have also read that attempts to exhume the grave have always been refused.
From what I have read the English had the advantage because they had picked the high ground, and as you said, funneled the French towards them on boggy ground.
I was astonished to read that when the French charged archers loosed off 7,000 arrows, and, before they had landed, loosed off two more lots of arrows. So in effect the French were hit by 21,000 arrows. That, I think, would have disorientated anyone and would have spooked the horses and caused the riders to be thrown.
 
Woodbutcher said:
Generally accepted to be a 20th century myth ... ;)
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So where did it come from? It seems a logical reason to me. Once those two fingers have been amputated the archer is no use anymore.
I expect the atrocities carried out by the Japanese in WW2 will be myths in time, the same as the reason for the sinking of the HMS Glorious.
 
Woodbutcher said:
Generally accepted to be a 20th century myth ... ;)
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It's not a myth...lots of work has been done to find out. The French did cut the two archers fingers...besides, how on earth would a two finger gesture like that could mean anything.
One middle finger, I get it...two end fingers up ( horns as used in Italy& Spain)...I get it...but two fingers in this configuration...nah, does not make sense.
 
Here is something else interesting. You won't find this image on google earth.
This is the field in spring where I think the battle took place. This is the only field for miles around that has this kind of trauma.
This field saw something unusual to destroy its natural drainage and soil structure. I think you are looking at a place where many died in the mud.
Also take note of more pits around the area, darker green grass indicates high nitrogen and bonemeal at some point. There are many dead buried here, I am not wrong.

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As a matter of interest did any battles in WW1 or WW2 take place at that location or nearby?
 
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