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Battle of Agincourt, some interesting stuff.

On a similar note, back when I was doing my War Studies degree, a number of modern revisionist "historians" were coming up with all sorts of long convoluted reasons as to why we really dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. 99% of it was utter bollox...

Aside from that revisionist bollox, Google has been shown to be the fountain of all things woke and homogonised for the BBC watching Labour supporting masses. I tend not to use Google at all for searches as they do filter their results to an alarming degree.
The same is happening with the sinking of the HMS Glorious.
And the hanging of a seaman who dared to question the Captains georaphical location which resulted in most of his fleet hitting rocks and sinking.
If it does not suit history they rewrite it!
I agree with what you say about google...AI is doing the same....using only information it can find without checking its accuracy.
 
And this is when this gesture was born.
When the French managed to capture an English archer, they cut his bow string draw fingers...as a punishment.
So towards the end of the battle the English were gesturing to the French....look I still have my fingers

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When I give Air France pilots the signal that they are clear to crank the number two engine, I always do it with that gesture preceding the whirling engine start signal. When I give them the clear to crank number one signal, I use my middle finger. I like to think of it as living history. :LOL:
 
If they're not happy I'd be down for a re-match.
Had the warbow out yesterday...and have a few period correct crossbows on standby.

The only issue technically is lack of a passport, though none of my relatives who visited France as part of the army in either WW1 or WW2 had a passport either; some liked it so much they stayed...
Maybe liked is the wrong phrase. Killed in action trying to expel the German Army from France would be better...

OK
That aside: AMAZING THREAD!!

Thankfully I was sent a link to it yesterday due to my posting about it being the 610th anniversary of the battle.
While I HAD been annoyed to miss the chance to join the archers at the 600th anniversary event, I am now more relieved that I missed it, seeing as how the French have deliberately sited the "official battlefield" in totally the wrong area.

I was at Towton this year for the commemoration day. Some folk around doing costumed archery, and I bought a few leaflets. Sadly didn't get to go on one of the official guided walks of the site. Already explored the area a few times on quieter days of the week.
Very impressed with the location boards at prominent parts of the days events. Sadly the Towton local history group have dropped
archery from their official activities list, or I'd have joined to expand on this area a little, esp. the crossbows...
The book on Towton, covering the excavated grave sites and the analysis of the injuries is very sobering. Very.

The level of detail which the nav2022 and others have input here is astounding. I've taken part in a few archeological digs in the North East as a specialist volunteer/subject matter expert. The aerial analysis from the organisation in charge was not even a shadow of the level of work done in this thread.
Even with detecting not being allowed in France I'd be surprised if "visual finds" in the actual areas of combat were not common...as stuff does sometimes work its way to the surface. Happens in the WW1 areas all the time, as is common knowledge.
Unfortunately, the French can get very French about things when they choose to - what other nation has a shrug named after it?? They're unlikely to change attitude from the present official stance on what site is correct and who can/cannot wander around the adjacent sites with ground penetrating radar (to prove them wrong, again...)

SAD, as there IS the need for an official marker(s) to commemorate the actual areas where the main events of the day took place & honour the fallen of both sides.

Re. the lack of compassion and the wholesale slaughter, execution of prisoners, etc.
Such events were a lot more common at that time. People had much harsher lives and a much shorter lifespan.
There is also some discussion on whether or not the French were flying the Oriflamme flag = if displayed on the battlefield, this meant no quarter = no prisoners. So, such executions of captives were sanctioned by the monarch you were fighting on behalf of; it then became a case of tough-titty if suddenly your side was the one no longer holding all the cards & you were being approached by several very annoyed, dysentery suffering, starving hungry & likely unimpressed with your standing in the community son of the soil professional archers - all keen to help you meet your God before your brain could even process the thoughts of "ah.....merde"!
That reminds me, I need to get my bollock dagger on the strop; ya never know when you'll need to use it to pry open a bit of decorative Italian tinwork.

Again, stunning work here. No wonder it has taken most of two days to read it all!
Thankyou for your reply and your interest. You know, during those fateful few weeks we were investigating the battle, the lead up to the battle and what happened before, the whole forum relived it all. We relived every single step the French and the English took in those two days and with each instalment of discovery we learned the truth. Not just about the location but what the men in both armies must have been feeling at the time because at the end of the day these men were going to have to kill each other with impunity.
The fact that the English won easily is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned, the most important factor was the loss of life. Someone's father, someone's bother, someone's son, just like your own son is burried in the soil of Agincourt. And for what?
There is a reason why I played 'only time' by Enya at the end of the film. Only time will allow us to understand why we killed each other in such brutality. St Crispins day, 25th October 1415, only time will allow you to understand.
It's part of history, its part of everyone on this forum, its our ancestors. Play soccer instead.
 
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Shall we do the Towton graves?
I can do another video but there is a difference with this one. Its in this Country and both legal and illegal grave diggers could disturb them.
What ya thinking?
 
Shall we do the Towton graves?
I can do another video but there is a difference with this one. Its in this Country and both legal and illegal grave diggers could disturb them.
What ya thinking?
I'd love to see that done...but I suspect morons will be digging grave sites...and it all comes back to you! ...just a thought
 
Shall we do the Towton graves?
I can do another video but there is a difference with this one. Its in this Country and both legal and illegal grave diggers could disturb them.
What ya thinking?
Would you like to held responsible for that happening ?
 
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