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West Yorkshire firearms department contact and turn around times
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2506sendero
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Posted my renewal yesterday, and i have had a few comms during the run up for various reasons.
Email is the answer, i have had replies to my questions by return using this method.
Email is the answer, i have had replies to my questions by return using this method.
2506sendero
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Magus
Keen member
My renewal went in just over 4 months before the expiry date. I received my tickets 2 months after the expiry date.
They refused to grant a temporary licence. I am an instructor and work full time within the shooting industry.
All they would do was keep granting 8 week extensions, you try buying cartridges or sect 1 ammunition with an expired licence.
I wish anyone looking for a variation or renewal the best of British, don't hold your breath.
They refused to grant a temporary licence. I am an instructor and work full time within the shooting industry.
All they would do was keep granting 8 week extensions, you try buying cartridges or sect 1 ammunition with an expired licence.
I wish anyone looking for a variation or renewal the best of British, don't hold your breath.
How can it get to this ???? Truly unbelievable.
2506sendero
Member Extraordinaire
Well the good news from my end is that i ended up sending a hard copy a week ago after all, as the FLA's cannot refuse this due to a challenge by BASC against West Mercia Police (info via @Bighit) and i received a telephone call this morning to take payment, 12 weeks before my current ticket expires.
I can only hope that they are as efficient when issuing my next one
I can only hope that they are as efficient when issuing my next one
2506sendero
Member Extraordinaire
This is pretty bad form TBH, and it is quite interesting as to why a lot of authorities appear to be totally against issuing tempoary certs, which i am pretty sure that the current firearms legislation states that they are obliged to do.
I was also informed on my.last home visit in 2021, that West Yorkhire "Don't issue temporary certificates"
There is a bit in the Guidance to chief officers regarding Temp certs. It is seen as the reason they won't issue them as it looks bad on them.This is pretty bad form TBH, and it is quite interesting as to why a lot of authorities appear to be totally against issuing tempoary certs, which i am pretty sure that the current firearms legislation states that they are obliged to do.
I was also informed on my.last home visit in 2021, that West Yorkhire "Don't issue temporary certificates"
Section 7 police permit
6.6 Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968 allows chief officers to issue a temporary permit
to allow for the lawful possession of a firearm and ammunition in accordance with the
terms that are set out in the permit. These permits may be used to allow a certificate
holder to continue to possess their firearms and ammunition where their certificate is
about to expire and an application for renewal has been received. This can apply to
circumstances both where an application has been received more or less than 8
weeks before expiry. These permits should not be used routinely to benefit
applicants who do not submit timely renewal applications e.g. less than 8 weeks,
unless in exceptional circumstances. Temporary permits should not be issued to
those who are uncooperative with the police while consideration is being given to
their application.
6.7 The police must be satisfied that the issue of a section 7 police permit does not give
rise to any public safety risk, which can normally only be determined after full
consideration of their renewal application. Therefore, section 7 permits issued to
provide more time to consider a renewal application should only be on an exceptional
basis and where unavoidable. Police are encouraged prior to issuing the temporary
permit to check if there are other options, for example in cases of bereavement of a
certificate holder, whether they go to another licence holder or RFD. Where required,
temporary permits should be supplied with an end date no longer than is reasonable
to cover the expected period of processing and should not be issued if no renewal
application has been received.
6.8 Chief officers should also avoid routinely using temporary permits as a means of
managing licensing caseloads within their force.
6.9 Chief Officers should ensure that their firearms licensing departments are sufficiently
resourced to enable effective processing of applications, to avoid the need to rely
routinely on the use of section 7 permits.
6.10 While it is the case that some police forces have made significant use of section 7
permits in the past to help manage certificate renewal backlogs with large numbers of
people subject to these permits, this practice must now be avoided as it conflicts with
the principle of maintaining efficient and effective licensing arrangements.
Also from BASC Some where relying on them .
Police temporary permit reliance raised in The Times
The significant reliance that some firearms licensing departments have on issuing temporary permits has been reported on by The Times.
basc.org.uk
The use of temporary permits and licence extensions
As of 19 May 2023, the force had responsibility for the largest number of firearms licences of all forces in England and Wales. This, coupled with the changes it needed to introduce after the tragic events in Plymouth, has placed significant demands on the force.At the time of our inspection, the force had 3,698 temporary permits out of a combined total of 37,885 licences and permits. During our review, it was apparent that the force was using extensions and temporary permits to manage its demand.
Another firearms licensing unit in a different part of England and Wales, which had responsibility for approximately 35,000 firearms licences, had granted only 10 temporary permits. Most forces have very low numbers of temporary permits.
Statutory guidance is explicit: “Chief officers should also avoid routinely using temporary permits as a means of managing licensing caseloads within their force.”
Devon and Cornwall Police’s use of temporary permits to manage demand goes against statutory guidance and must stop.
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2506sendero
Member Extraordinaire
Quick update.
Co-terminous renewal forms were received by WYPFLA 28/10, and i had my interview/inspection on Tuesday, so it looks as if they are well on the ball on this occasion
Co-terminous renewal forms were received by WYPFLA 28/10, and i had my interview/inspection on Tuesday, so it looks as if they are well on the ball on this occasion
Which club do you go to Colin Thanks. Mjd.
Skywalker85
New member
Hi all, new member. Figured id ask on this thread rather than start my own as seemed relevant. Just wondering if my wait time is normal for West Yorkshire. I put in for both Firearms and Shotgun, application went in beginning of April, had my home visit interview start of June. Just hours after my interview he had phoned and spoke to my referees + all the people I mentioned in my interview that id shot with and those whose land ive permission to shoot on. Great I though, hes not wasting any time, hopefully mine will be a simple and straightforward application. Ive no medical concerns or criminal record besides some speeding tickets (non recent). I shoot at a club and Ive permissions over land. But since then things seemed to have ground to a halt. I had an email on September 2nd saying the application had passed to the FAL manager. Figured then maybe just a matter of weeks before I hear back again, but nothing yet. That was now 3 and a half months since. Is this waiting time normal for a new application? Anyone else had similar waiting times. All Google tells me is that a typical application takes about 20 weeks start to finish which im well past. And holds ups are usually down to concerns about a grant on medical or character grounds. Guys at the club are telling me to chase it up but Im hesitant to start badgering them about my application for obvious reasons. Any input would be appreciated.
2506sendero
Member Extraordinaire
As this is an initial grant, it is a bit like rolling the dice with time frames, and impossible to predict, and i have it on good authority from my FEO that this is a particularly busy time of year for West Yorks.
I would agree with the guys at your club, a quick telephone enquiry after this length of time, can hardly be classed as badgering, and hopefully they may be able to give you some kind of an answer.
Good luck with your application.
I would agree with the guys at your club, a quick telephone enquiry after this length of time, can hardly be classed as badgering, and hopefully they may be able to give you some kind of an answer.
Good luck with your application.
I applied for a variation on 28/8 it was granted within a week still no sign of my certificate being returned I have made various attempts to contact them the only success has been email and received a message saying staff shortages and that it should be printed soon 4 months for printing is a bit of a joke if shotguns are to be reclassified and put under the same as firearms this already badly run system will surely never be able to cope my grandson had his application accepted 12 months ago still no certificate