Walther LGU models?

[J Spinola.]

City Air Weapons in Birmingham. Give Bob a call.

This shop has a serious collection of very expensive rifles, more so than any gun shop I've ever seen.
But I don't see any Walther lgu.

 

[J Spinola.]

About some 10 years ago Brian Samson & Co. completely wrote off the Walther LGV after a cheerfull begin. Because of the talk everyone dumped his Walther and shops had trouble to get rid of their stock.
At a certain point you almost got one for free when you bought ten tins of pellets.
Never believed in his words, but kept belief in that superb design.
Nowadays LGU and LGV are very rare, hard to find and when they go, they do big money.
I still wonder where all that Walthers have gone...

I picked mine up from Kirklees guns in Huddersfield about four years ago, around the £450 mark I think. I had no idea they were discontinued and hard to find, but looking online now I see they are.

 

[Oily Rag]

This shop has a serious collection of very expensive rifles, more so than any gun shop I've ever seen.
But I don't see any Walther lgu.

They don’t advertise them on there website, trust me, if you’ve never been there, it’s Aladdin’s cave. The Walther are down in the basement, in .177 and .22. If your a doubting Thomas, give them a bell, Bob will help you.

 

[Oily Rag]

They don’t advertise them on there website, trust me, if you’ve never been there, it’s Aladdin’s cave. The Walther are down in the basement, in .177 and .22. If your a doubting Thomas, give them a bell, Bob will help you.

I’d just like to say, in the past year, I’ve bought a .177 Varmint from there, and a LGV Master Pro in .177. I had the last LGV, but he must have a dozen LGU’s in a mix of .177 and .22. By the way, they’ll cost you £540

 

[Plinkerton]

About some 10 years ago Brian Samson & Co. completely wrote off the Walther LGV after a cheerfull begin. Because of the talk everyone dumped his Walther and shops had trouble to get rid of their stock.
At a certain point you almost got one for free when you bought ten tins of pellets.
Never believed in his words, but kept belief in that superb design.
Nowadays LGU and LGV are very rare, hard to find and when they go, they do big money.
I still wonder where all that Walthers have gone...

They got an extremely rough ride from certain members of the 'community'...
Seems quite unfair in retrospect, given the shocking things HW gets away with while still being considered a quality marque.

 

[pelletcaster]

The initial advertising campaign was a joke and IMHO a massive marketing accident - not only for serious airgunners.
But the design was perfect as is the trigger with the tuning metal blade and some polish on the sears.

I bought an early LGV Competition Ultra .177 s/h in August 2013 but found some teething problems like a rising barrel and the bore wasn't well centered. So I sent it back to the factory in Germany and got it back one month later in perfect condition.
It was the 23 Joule modell - a performance it never produced, we all know why - and I wasn't happy with the behaviour. So installed the sub-12 fpe kit with a light moly lube and got it perfect. I stopped counting after about 9k shots and just changed the spring two years ago. Piston and breach seal still the same looking like new.
Last September I measured 25 shots with JSB Exact Express 4,52 / 0.510 g - 7.9 gr: 11.5 fpe / 811.6 fps / max dev 1.4% / std dev 3.8 fps.
Every single shot it puts a great smile on my face due to behaviour and accuracy.


Like my LGU Master that I got also s/h in 2015.
The gun shot perfectly but after about 5k-shots power was getting little bit lazy (TP is at 3.2 mm) so last September I put a Century-spring in (scragged 48 hours and collapsed one coil at each end). Gun is a little bit hot for your liking - no problem here but I expect power to rise further a little bit as the new spring seems still bedding in and temperatures are getting lower. I'll have some actual measurements as soon as weather and wind allow. I found it best and most accurate at abt. 11.3 fps.
BTW this is my springer for the BR2023 competition.
Last figures from September 45 shots with JSB Exact Express 4,52 / 0.510 g - 7.9 gr: 11.7 fpe / 817.5 fps / max dev 2.6% / std dev 5.9 fps.
If the power will further rise I will cut at least two coils off as it was definately smoother to shoot before.

I had/fettled/shot many springers since 2012 (all HWs - many in .22, a TX 200 HC, a Prosport, a Diana 34 - T-01, some LGV/LGU in the synthetic Varmint stock) but I sold them all except the two above and an 1993 HW77 .177 25 mm plus a HW90 (still working on).
I still don't know what to do further with the 77 and the 90 but I have no intention at all to give away the LGV & LGU.

Have fun.

 

[tatmanpablo]

Don't use mine much, but when I do always puts a smile on my face, is it better than my tx, yep, would I sell it, nope.

 

[Ali S]

LGU’s in a mix of .177 and .22. By the way, they’ll cost you £540

That is not bad at the same price as a standard HW97 or £699 for a TX200HC. If someone has been hunting one and indeed if it’s new stock. Then money well spent IMO

 

[J Spinola.]

They don’t advertise them on there website, trust me, if you’ve never been there, it’s Aladdin’s cave. The Walther are down in the basement, in .177 and .22. If your a doubting Thomas, give them a bell, Bob will help you.

I'm not doubting I was just making an observation, it certainly looks like an aladdins cava on the website!

 

[Oily Rag]

So I decided to put my money where my mouth is this weekend, and whilst in Brum visiting my sister, I popped into City Air Weapons and bought this brand new gem.

 

[Skid]

Interesting thread, I’ve often fancied one myself

 

[Oily Rag]

You can buy the Rowan trigger and use the middle position or have a word with Hal and he can do a T bridge if you have the metal tuning trigger.

Could you explain what you mean about the Rowan trigger, are you saying you can move either the first stage adjustment screw or the second stage adjustment screw to the centre position, and if so what difference does it make? Also I’ve got the Walther tuning trigger, could you tell me what the T bridge is please?

 

[Mike Woody Watkins]

Why did Walther discontinue the LGU & LGU? Anyone know?

 

[Ali S]

Could you explain what you mean about the Rowan trigger, are you saying you can move either the first stage adjustment screw or the second stage adjustment screw to the centre position, and if so what difference does it make? Also I’ve got the Walther tuning trigger, could you tell me what the T bridge is please?

The Rowan LGU/LGV trigger blade has the middle position (just remove the grub screw from the second stage and place it in the middle position) so you can reduce the break point by changing the second stage. It is very easy to overlook this feature of the Rowan Trigger. The T Bridge Mod by Hal can be undertaken to produce the same effect. Rather than describe it I have attached pictures To assist you. Hope this helps. P.S. The T bridge mod will retain the featured safety catch.

 

[Paul M.]

Why did Walther discontinue the LGU & LGU? Anyone know?

The Umarex line was that it needed new machinery to continue to make it and so decided to pull it.

I would assume the poor uptake in sales was the dominant factor. On here and AGF1 it got slaked many times and people have only just caught on to what actual owners felt very recently, the praise is all very recent.

I also heard that the original intent was LGV break barrel only but the LGU was introduced in response to low sales and demand. I regret not getting the bb when I could have now.

I'm pretty sure Air Arms will have noted lack of sales of the break barrel in their reckoning.

 

[Plinkerton]

Apparently the mould for the trigger housing wore out and it wasn't deemed economical to replace it, given sales figures. Personally I think they sabotaged themselves somewhat with too many variations, cannibalising their own sales. Should have had the LGV in three stock variants - sporter, target and synthetic - and not bothered at all with the century, terrus and LGU.
Also the AA and HW fanboys gave it a constant slagging. A bit galling considering what those companies persistently get away with on the back of nostalgia (I reckon that if HW burst into existence as a new company today with their current lineup and QC, they would get absolutely slated).

 

[Ali S]

Here is a close up of the Rowan Trigger

 

[Oily Rag]

The Rowan LGU/LGV trigger blade has the middle position (just remove the grub screw from the second stage and place it in the middle position) so you can reduce the break point by changing the second stage. It is very easy to overlook this feature of the Rowan Trigger. The T Bridge Mod by Hal can be undertaken to produce the same effect. Rather than describe it I have attached pictures To assist you. Hope this helps. P.S. The T bridge mod will retain the featured safety catch.

Top man, I never knew that, I’m going to give it a try. Does Hal make that bridge?

 

[Oily Rag]

Here is a close up of the Rowan Trigger

I see what it’s doing, I think. It’s reducing the big gap between 1st stage and 2nd stage release

 

[Devon guy]

I fancy an LGU, they pop up second hand now and again but I don't know what the difference between models is. Is the Master just a Varmint in a posh stock?

Are they as good as people say they are?
Compared to the other quality underlever options?

Are you after one ..177 lgu varment boxed ?