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If you have 100% proof it's the real deal (some fakes out there) then maybe but as @jesim1 says is it still a Venom if someone other than Venom has worked on it ? Yeah, it will still be a venom rifle but its not 100% Venom tuned then as its been worked on by a 3rd party so that may have a bearing on it for some .
 
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crissdee said:
If you just replace seals and washers, and replace the spring with the same rated spring, then it's just a serviced Venom, surely?
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I get it, but the whole "Venom" thing is that it was worked on and set up by the legend who is Mr Pope, and as soon as you re do a gun, change seals etc.... then it's been changed, and is only a Venom in name - to me at least :unsure:

This is why I'm not slagging Venoms off, they are good guns, but are they what they were 20 years ago?, and are they as good as what we can do today? So to pay a premium for one - often double it's modern value - are you actually getting anything "better" that a modern gun/tune at half the price?? I'd say no, and hence why your buying nostalgia and a name, not a meaningfully better gun for your money 🤷‍♂️

I think times and quality have moved on, what you got in a Venom 20 years ago is easily replicated or surpassed by todays tuners, you just need to find a good one (y)
 
crissdee said:
If you just replace seals and washers, and replace the spring with the same rated spring, then it's just a serviced Venom, surely?
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Can you still get the parts Venom used ? If not then it will be a Bitsa = Bitsa of Venom ,Bitsa of something else . Never had a Venom so I'm not sure what parts they fitted that were specced by them or if they used original parts.

It would not bother me too much but it may bother others who get anal about it and want it 100% as specced when it left the company that did the work.
 
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crissdee said:
If you just replace seals and washers, and replace the spring with the same rated spring, then it's just a serviced Venom, surely?
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That’s half the Venomised parts removed from the rifle though, and in some cases more as not every Venom had the internals/externals/stock work done on them

If you took the engine out of an RS Cosworth and replaced it with the same sized/power engine from a different manufacturer would you be happy you still have an R/S Cosworth?
 
jesim1 said:
I get it, but the whole "Venom" thing is that it was worked on and set up by the legend who is Mr Pope, and as soon as you re do a gun, change seals etc.... then it's been changed, and is only a Venom in name - to me at least :unsure:

This is why I'm not slagging Venoms off, they are good guns, but are they what they were 20 years ago?, and are they as good as what we can do today? So to pay a premium for one - often double it's modern value - are you actually getting anything "better" that a modern gun/tune at half the price?? I'd say no, and hence why your buying nostalgia and a name, not a meaningfully better gun for your money 🤷‍♂️

I think times and quality have moved on, what you got in a Venom 20 years ago is easily replicated or surpassed by todays tuners, you just need to find a good one (y)
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A motorcycle analogy,
I would rather have a 50k Vincent Rapide than a 500 quid cbr600 which will out perform the Vincent in every respect,
 
martin st ledger said:
A motorcycle analogy,
I would rather have a 50k Vincent Rapide than a 500 quid cbr600 which will out perform the Vincent in every respect,
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Which is fair play, but it's £50k Vs £500 - it's not really a comparison is it?, they don't look, go, or feel anything like each other - they are totally different bikes, but if I handed you two similar guns and you were blindfolded - could you tell the Venom from a factory gun with a £100 tune?? - I'd say you would struggle, I know I would, and I've had a venom 🤷‍♂️

I'll just add - in no way am I having a pop at Venom - I have a great deal of respect for Mr Pope and his work - I'm simply questioning it's value Vs reality in performance in todays world, and think your paying for a name nowadays instead of what was in it's day the best in the business (y)
 
jesim1 said:
Which is fair play, but it's £50k Vs £500 - it's not really a comparison is it?, they don't look, go, or feel anything like each other - they are totally different bikes, but if I handed you two similar guns and you were blindfolded - could you tell the Venom from a factory gun with a £100 tune?? - I'd say you would struggle, I know I would, and I've had a venom 🤷‍♂️

I'll just add - in no way am I having a pop at Venom - I have a great deal of respect for Mr Pope and his work - I'm simply questioning it's value Vs reality in performance in todays world, and think your paying for a name nowadays instead of what was in it's day the best in the business (y)
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Its nostalgia though, good sense flies out the window,
 
Trumpetier said:
Lynn Lewington perhaps ?
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Possibly if he can get them made to the same spec which I believe he does with the V-Mach springs but if he can't get the other parts then you are going to have to use an equivalent.

As I said it would not bother me but some want things to be 100% original and that means the same parts Venom used though parts will have evolved over time .

its the same with some other brands .

Some were converting Theoben as Gas Ram rifles to other types of seals they could not get the originals though you could if you got Impact to service it but you were then fitting a poor item back in ( they are known to be poor and don't last long is some rifles but a lot of that is down to user error )but some want them 100% original and they would not touch a converted rifle whereas others may .

Theoben often changed parts and experimented ,so sometimes it's hard to tell if it was like that from the factory or converted.
 
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Dan giliballs said:
That’s half the Venomised parts removed from the rifle though, and in some cases more as not every Venom had the internals/externals/stock work done on them
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I don't think they had their own springs wound, and a breech seal and a piston washer are stock items. I strongly suspect most of their tuning was polishing and reshaping bits of metal, which would remain the same.
 
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