I agree, only thing id say is more power gives you better target area, i.e chest, never had one fly off with FAC.It's already been said, but accuracy is key !
At 40 yards, a woodpigeon @12fpe in the head is dead.
At 40 yards, a woodpigeon @20fpe in the chest will most likely fly off.
If you are doing responsible vermin control, then accuracy is paramount. The small amount of extra power won't guarantee a humane kill.
Now where's my SA80, that would drop a woodie
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Gotta say I really dislike threads like this. Want to go poking the bear? Well be very careful what you wish for. There’s not a chance in hell that any changes made to firearms licensing will result in more liberal laws being put in place. The laws, over time, will gradually just get more and more restrictive. Go campaigning for change and you’ll just accelerate that process.
As for allowing self assessment of appropriate uses and places to shoot, I’d like to think our forum is made up of enthusiasts who take safety and responsibility very seriously. Unfortunately though, there are idiots out there. They’re everywhere. Some of them don’t even know they’re idiots.
Let sleeping dogs be.
As for allowing self assessment of appropriate uses and places to shoot, I’d like to think our forum is made up of enthusiasts who take safety and responsibility very seriously. Unfortunately though, there are idiots out there. They’re everywhere. Some of them don’t even know they’re idiots.
Let sleeping dogs be.
Well an air rifle running at about 11 fpe has enough energy/power to despatch airgun quarry i.e small pests/vermin out to about 40mtrs/yds if the pellet hits the correct spot.
If they're not being despatched humanely at that distance/range then it probably means the gun isn't reaching that power level or more than likely the shooter's marksmanship isn't good enough, and upping the power limit won't improve poor or inadequate marksmanship.
If anyone can't get within 40 yds or preferably less of their quarry then i suggest they spend a bit more time practising their fieldcraft.
More power is not a substitute for inadequate fieldcraft or marksmanship, which might, and i say might, be the OP's reason for wanting a higher power limit.
If they're not being despatched humanely at that distance/range then it probably means the gun isn't reaching that power level or more than likely the shooter's marksmanship isn't good enough, and upping the power limit won't improve poor or inadequate marksmanship.
If anyone can't get within 40 yds or preferably less of their quarry then i suggest they spend a bit more time practising their fieldcraft.
More power is not a substitute for inadequate fieldcraft or marksmanship, which might, and i say might, be the OP's reason for wanting a higher power limit.
crissdee
Super member
Can't remember the last time I even saw a phone book, let alone had one to hand.
Just looked it up, and I was very surprised to find they stopped sending them out last year! I've never had one at this house, and I've been here just over 4 years. 3 years before that looking after my parents, we never got one. Might have had a Yellow Pages at the flat before that, but at least a decade since I've held a new one in my hand...
Arley
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I we were honest, I think we would all crave a little more power if we could have it, if only to experiment. Some of us remember the days when we craved 12 ft lb guns, realistically nothing offered it although HW35 promised it.
Then came HW80 and then HW77 and maxing these things out whilst staying leagal was everyones goal.
Whatever the limit we wil naturally stretch to it and the advent of PCP means the sky is the limit.
The truth is12ft lb keeps the hobby safe, without regulated ranges or ownership. After all step ladders and electric scooters are more dangerous.
I for one are happy to keep it this way, If we value the hobby, enjoy.
If you want more power, go FAC but dont shoot in youre back garden or the local range.
Then came HW80 and then HW77 and maxing these things out whilst staying leagal was everyones goal.
Whatever the limit we wil naturally stretch to it and the advent of PCP means the sky is the limit.
The truth is12ft lb keeps the hobby safe, without regulated ranges or ownership. After all step ladders and electric scooters are more dangerous.
I for one are happy to keep it this way, If we value the hobby, enjoy.
If you want more power, go FAC but dont shoot in youre back garden or the local range.
Interesting, I have never seen the Scots AWL text before, and the post at #57 shows some of the text.
See pic of text below...
I know that lots of airgun owners in Scotland own multiple air weapons, yet the wording seems to indicate the singular?
EG: the first paragraph below mentions "an air weapon" - singular, not plural.
Likewise under s5 it states "the air weapon" - singular again, not plural.
Obviously this is only one part of the text, so not sure what it says elsewhere, but just thought it noteworthy about the chosen text.
See pic of text below...
I know that lots of airgun owners in Scotland own multiple air weapons, yet the wording seems to indicate the singular?
EG: the first paragraph below mentions "an air weapon" - singular, not plural.
Likewise under s5 it states "the air weapon" - singular again, not plural.
Obviously this is only one part of the text, so not sure what it says elsewhere, but just thought it noteworthy about the chosen text.
Actually a pellet from an 11 fpe .22 air-rifle has enough power to kill a rabbit humanely at 100 yards (retained energy over 4fpe) if it hits the right spot. Power is not the issue - it's ALL about the ability to hit that right spot. For me I always limited myself to a max estimated 30 yards although when I hunted what really estimated was whether I was sure I could make a clean kill - turned out that it didn't feel I would much beyond 30yards when I measured my shots...
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Italy
[edit]It is illegal to hunt with air guns. Carrying air guns in public is illegal in Italy and it is a criminal offense to plink.Air guns under 1 joule of power are considered toys and are unregulated. Air guns between 1 joule and 7,5 joules are considered low-power firearms and so they are quite regulated but only require ID to buy. Air guns above 7.5 joules require a license and are heavily regulated.
Yep you are correct about the pellet having enough energy to kill beyond the range i quoted and possibly well beyond that range but i was reluctant to give a figure as it possibly might encourage some less experienced shooters, some of whom may read this and to try shooting/taking quarry at distances/ranges that they have little or no experience of.
But as you say around 30 yards give or take a few yards is the sensible approach for most airgunners where sub 12ft.lbs is concerned as holdover/hold under isn't a major problem at those distances.
They probably assumed people only owned one airgun but we know some own more that one.
Slayer fan
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And there's been no sign of the OP since posting this thread 
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Byronic
Member Extraordinaire
And there's been no sign of the OP since posting this thread
A topic like this would be very effective for somebody simply wishing to stir things up......
Right Cant
Super member
Who is it then? Place your bets
scoza111Who is it then? Place your bets
Flinty
Super member
Yes just one post, returning member or not this was his 4 post as a new member it was full of crap and clearly designed to be a windup, this post makes 76 replies, when will we ever learn and I include myself in that this is my second post, this member has sat at home laughing is C##k off at all of us.And there's been no sign of the OP since posting this thread
We really do need to think before replying to this type of post this is just fulfilling their aims, so ignore them yes I know it's hard I do it far to often myself but its the only answer to these idiots.
Exactly the reason i never replied,I knew from the beginning.
My replying post to the thread starter got deleted, something to do with calling him a door handle or similar
Slayer fan
Member Extraordinaire
.All good intentions! I didn't want inexperienced shooter to think after 40yards an airgun pellet wouldn't do much damage!