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I remember the days if stuffing damn great Ox-type springs into rifles - and the resulting inaccuracy and greater recoil in guns which had previously been fine.
Nobody owned a chrono then so no idea how powerful really so it was "measured" by shooting into Telephone directories etc.

As has been said - "Be careful what you wish for" when it comes to a review of or changes to air gun legislation in Britain,
 
Hiram said:
Does it shoot nicer at full power? I've read that the 80's shot cycle is better at the power Dr Beeman intended. I've never shot a sub 12 80 so don't have any personal experience.
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I would say it's not much different . It would depend on the fitting of the spring. An Ox may make it harsh but the TbT kit and Geniune export spring would be better.

I expected it to be harsher than ot I'd but it surprised both Cammie and I.

Hitting targets at longer distance tells you it's shooter with more power though.
 
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I'm trying to fathom how 18fpe would be more deadly to vermin but not more deadly to us? Surely it'd be more deadly to both of us?

Not saying I wouldn't like a touch more power, but I'd rather 12fpe than 6fpe, and at least we have somewhat reasonable regulations without the need for a ticket.

For anything else there's FAC. With more power comes more responsibility (I think Spiderman once said something similar).
 
Makarova said:
Let’s face it if they were more powerful “off” ticket they would be banned a lot quicker.
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I agree, we are where we are in this country with the 12 ibs limit. I take the view that we are quite lucky that it is still that high!
As frustrating as it may be to see some countries having more power, there are plenty that have less. You can do most things well at the current limit and realistically they will never increase it now.
 
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AndytheCourier said:
If there were to be a change does anyone really think they would up the limit?
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Slayer fan said:
Exactly it would only go one way and it's NOT up .
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you beat me to it.

There is absolutely no motivation for the government to increase power levels.
All that would get them is agrovation from the Anti's
We might be pleased if they decided to raise the power but they don't give a crap what we think and are never likely to start
 
@Carlos65 - just how dead do you want your vermin to be?? :oops:

If your shooting out to 40m or so, then 12fpe is all you need, if you want to go further, just get an FAC.

Most vermin will have a .177 go straight through them at normal air gun ranges if they are shooting at 18FPE, it would also make shooting in a back yards a proper ricochet hazard.

Just be thankful we have sub 12fpe and no licence yet, Scotland has got one already, and we are fighting for our proverbial lives in the rest of the UK for it not to go the same way let alone get a higher power :oops:

You have been on here a week - with posts like this it may not be the long term forum you think it might be Homer face palm
 
jesim1 said:
Just be thankful we have sub 12fpe and no licence yet, Scotland has got one already, and we are fighting for our proverbial lives in the rest of the UK for it not to go the same way let alone get a higher power :oops:
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I think you have it exactly right. Here in Northern Ireland all air rifles and air pistols are on FAC. You cannot walk in and buy one or simply decide to sell one, you apply for a fac and show good reason to have one. If you want a second one then you have to show good reason for that too and why the one you have won't suffice. In effect an air rifle is treated exactly the same as a rimfire or centrefire.
Yes we can have pistols for target shooting which is great but there is a lot to be thankful for in having sub 12 air rifles and sub 6 pistols unlicensed.
 
jesim1 said:
Just be thankful we have sub 12fpe and no licence yet, Scotland has got one already, and we are fighting for our proverbial lives in the rest of the UK for it not to go the same way let alone get a higher power
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Pretty sure it's on the horizon. Powers that be have gone on record they want to firearms owners to pay more towards the cost of police, be very surprised if we weren't in their sights too.
 
Yes agree and disagree --IF the power was upped to say 18flb as others have said oh i need 20flb!!! But we have all seen what the charvers and the nutters have got up to with 12flb guns imagine the damage that can be caused how many would have been killed never mind just injured with accidents its one thing shooting a 12flb gun --ie backstops knowing the area --when you start with more power much more thought is needed
 
1260engineer said:
Jeeeeeeezus ...really
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Andrew Morton was shot and killed with unlicensed FAC airgun and I don't think it as even anywhere near 18ftlbs . Rumours were it was some sort of Chinese made airgun that had been " boosted " in power.

There was also a man killed up here after being shot with one also. No idea if it was licensed or sub12 and messed with.

www.heraldscotland.com

Youth cleared of killing man hit by pellet from airgun

A YOUTH was yesterday cleared of killing a man who died after being
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chouchin66 said:
From a fella in the U.S.A that shoots both sub 12 & FAC, You my friend, are mis - informed. Power has absolutely nowt to do with accuracy, and, sub 12 is no less deadly on airgun sized vermin. All FAC does is buy one a few more yards of flat shooting, perhaps sometimes to the detriment of one's fieldcraft ? Sorry to bring you a few facts, that are facts.😊
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All the extra 6 ft/lbs does is increase your effective range by about 20m......& that's only if the barrels twist rate suits the pellet you're using.
 
Byronic said:
I remember the days if stuffing damn great Ox-type springs into rifles - and the resulting inaccuracy and greater recoil in guns which had previously been fine.
Nobody owned a chrono then so no idea how powerful really so it was "measured" by shooting into Telephone directories etc.

As has been said - "Be careful what you wish for" when it comes to a review of or changes to air gun legislation in Britain,
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Au yes the mighty ox AKA Hox they used to be stuffed into a hw80-Hw77-Hw35 power power And more---arms like Garth to cock it twang bang wallop off fly's the scope =But look it shoots threw the coal shovel!!!!!!!!!!!!and shed door yes one thing in loads of power but could not hit a barn door and all the screws used to come undone not forgetting all the grinding from the action
 
zakdingel said:
Au yes the mighty ox AKA Hox they used to be stuffed into a hw80-Hw77-Hw35 power power And more---arms like Garth to cock it twang bang wallop off fly's the scope =But look it shoots threw the coal shovel!!!!!!!!!!!!and shed door yes one thing in loads of power but could not hit a barn door and all the screws used to come undone not forgetting all the grinding from the action
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I must have reduced the springs on a dozen in the late 80's in HW80's till I got them shooting nicely with hardly any preload when the owners shot my guns & realised the errors of their ways. Had a bag of offcuts I chucked away when I moved back from leicester.
 
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