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Thermal spotter

Defo think a bit more saving and get a decent ones alot better than opting for the 6mm hik one, anyone used the Atn ots xlt looks decent for 400 quid
Think it's a good choice to save a bit more and get the best you can afford. My Hik 6mm is OK but there are better out there but that was the only one with a viable price I could afford. If I had a chance of more funds I would have got a more expensive one.
 
Think it's a good choice to save a bit more and get the best you can afford. My Hik 6mm is OK but there are better out there but that was the only one with a viable price I could afford. If I had a chance of more funds I would have got a more expensive one.
Agree, it’s justifying the extra cost and to my mrs that’s the issue lol
 
I bought this before and passed it on,it wasn't for me,for a decent thermal spotter its got to be top end.

Cheers mate I’ll take a look

You've misunderstood my post....not very good in my opinion.

Defo think a bit more saving and get a decent ones alot better than opting for the 6mm hik one, anyone used the Atn ots xlt looks decent for 400 quid
Yes me,as I said in my post,not very good,honesty it was a waste of money,save some more cash and buy better.
 
So in my hunt for a reasonable spotter I’ve come across a brand called night pearl. On there website they have a 15mm lens version on sale for 360 quid which seems too good to be true. Anyone had a good or dealings with the brand ? Model in mention is a ln alor hunt 15
 
 
I’ve seen this mate didn’t know if anyone had hands on experience with one
 
So in my hunt for a reasonable spotter I’ve come across a brand called night pearl. On there website they have a 15mm lens version on sale for 360 quid which seems too good to be true. Anyone had a good or dealings with the brand ? Model in mention is a ln alor hunt 15
Your best getting hands on with thermal units / brands before committing
find a decent retailer who has demo units available to try
the good thing about thermal it can be used both day and night so you can always get a good idea of what a particular unit is capable of detecting is and image clarity
Bright sunlight and moisture in the air are thermals biggest issue in regards to performance some brands at lower end prices deal with this better than others granted some of the higher end stuff can cope with dire conditions also

Warranty, Service & Backup also needs to be considered they are electronic devices after all 👍🏻

Try before you buy 👍🏻 don’t rely on YouTube reviews to give you all the answers 🤣🤣😉
 
I went thermal several years ago and I have found it a game changer for me.
IMHO.
One’s intended use does determined how good an image you need (distance related).
When I was searching for a unit I tried a number of units, some were rejected on the quality of the image (distance related) some just did not feel comfortable in my hand and some were just too large to comfortably fit into a pocket. (I wander around our field and have to open field gates etc.)
So Image quality : comfort in the hand : ease of use : size were deciding factors for me.
 
I've used a pulsar xq30v for a long time , bought it cheap at the time and while it would be good to upgrade to a new unit - it does everything i need. 2nd hand they don't sell for much now so I will continue to use it until it breaks/dies then get a new one.

You don't need the really expensive thermal for air rifle use 👍
 
The 10mm lynx is a big jump from the 6mm and only slightly over budget.

Got to weigh up what you're using it for I guess. Close range rats and rabbits even the 6mm will work OK. Anything out to range you'd ideally want a bigger objective.
 
Only needing something to around 70 yards I reckon mainly for rabbits. I’d rather have something a tad better than why I need too just for a better image. I’m thinking at mo either hik lynx 10mm or Pixfra m215
 
Only needing something to around 70 yards I reckon mainly for rabbits. I’d rather have something a tad better than why I need too just for a better image. I’m thinking at mo either hik lynx 10mm or Pixfra m215
Check your pm's,,, I sent you some info on the 10mm on Tuesday 👍
 
The frame (refresh) impacts things moving, and to be able to pan around, with any sort of speed.
If it is slow, it takes a moment for the thermal signal to show, and if the movement is fleeting (a rat crosses a small gap) may not even show what is there.

Resolution has a 'usable' range, so going above a set number of pixels does not guarantee better airgun use.
There is no point being able to count whiskers at 100m, when you just want to know what the animal is at 30m.
The main advantage of higher resolution is where something is partially visible, but it's orientation, or even identification is in question, but there are drawbacks to going higher resolution beyond the initial purchase cost.

For each generation of sensor, the higher the number of sensor pixels, the greater the required processing and, as a result the battery drain.
As electronics moves on, it tends to move towards lower power consumption, so the third generation of a scope normally has less power drain than the first, OR they have increased the resolution to the point where the battery drain is the same.

My take (which will be laughable in months) is that 384 is currently a good resolution for airgun ranges.
Lower resolution will still work, but often the lower resolutions are associated with lower refresh rates, so not only is it less distinct, it is slower to appear.
640 shows greater detail, and that detail may be of benefit for FAC airgun, or shooting at greater distances, but a 640 over a 384 at up to say 30m is not going to make much difference (IMHO).

The newer combined scopes like the DNT Thermnite have gone over to 21700 batteries, with their higher capacity, due to the processing required for both NV and thermal in one scope.
The generation of 640 spotter I have (Hikmicro Gryphon Pro LRF GQ50L) still uses 18650, I have wondered if the cartridge bands in my jacket would double as spare battery holders.
As it is I would not like to go for a stalk with only one spare battery.
As technology moves on (assuming we are not thrown into the dark ages again) the consumption goes down, but for those who go out for long sessions may benefit from a 'realistic' thermal resolution, over the awkward 'Battery low, range finding disabled' message that seems to arrive at just the wrong time.

The newer 1280 and beyond sensors look amazing, and if you have the money why not, but don't spend more on the part of the hobby that devalues quickest, if that extra grand or two would be better spend on something that will still have decent residual value, a couple of years from now.

Thanks for reading if you got this far.
This is mainly me, trying to talk myself out of, an obsession with the latest thermal kit.
I still walk around at night with any thermal, amazed at the technology.
 
Here are some pictures taken with my Hik LE10 vs the FQ35 which should help give you some idea of the limitations of some of the cheaper options. First off though I found the LE10 a game changer like everyone says and I'm happy to use it to spot rabbits up to 100 yards so it's perfectly adequate for air gun ranges but bear in mind you will always want more...

therm-comparison.webp

Rabbits at 135 yards and yes the LE10 can spot them although of course they could be anything. For me the problem with this image is less the lack of resolution and more the poor sensitivity washing out the detail on the ground and and bushes behind which doesn't give you much to go on when you are trying to find them in your scope especially in the dark. This can seriously slow you down in more cluttered areas e.g. when you find yourself looking for eyeshine the wrong part of the woods. On the other hand the higher quality of the FQ35 can actually make things harder to spot because parts of the background are almost as dark / bright as the target with the worst I've ever seen this being crows on a ploughed field.

therm-comparison2.webp

Closer in this time, "birds" between 30 and 60 yards, they could be a lot of things in the LE10 but in the FQ35 we can see they are herons and one crow. This shows where the extra resolution comes into play in helping with identification. Trying to sort out any details to find something lurking in the bushes is going to be hard with the LE10s low sensitivity but you aren't going to be shooting that far, even the fence is out of reasonable air gun range. PS I've been told that herons just don't gather like this but I also verified thats what they were with the NV.

The other disadvantage with the cheaper unit is the refresh rate of 25Hz so to pan about its move, stop, move to allow the picture to build up and it does mean you can miss small things moving through the field of view, you can live with it but it's not ideal.

All these pictures were taken in black hot for comparison as I prefer it with the FQ35 because the picture seems more natural and easier to relate to the scope view however white hot is probably the better choice with the LE10 as the targets seem to stand out more.
 
Appreciate all the help and advice in choosing a spotter, in the end I went for a Pixfra m215 that cam up in special on eBay through Blackwood outdoors for a dash over £490 which I thought was a bargain. Fingers crossed it’s decent as can’t find anything on line about it apart from the specifications 🫣
 
Appreciate all the help and advice in choosing a spotter, in the end I went for a Pixfra m215 that cam up in special on eBay through Blackwood outdoors for a dash over £490 which I thought was a bargain. Fingers crossed it’s decent as can’t find anything on line about it apart from the specifications 🫣
Hello, I think Pixfra are imported by Thomas Jacks so they may help,
 
After a thermal spotter with a max budget of around 4-500, was looking at the hikmicro lc06 but read more bad than good reviews. Any recommendations be great
If it was me I’d buy the habrok binoculars £1100

I have a spotter but these are better!
 
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