Theoben rammer had the trigger pulled when cocked 🙄

[Aston_Shooter]

Eyup all, hope you're well.

Now I haven't yet got the gun, but I'll grab it next week when I'm back at work, I'm just asking preemptively.

There's a chap that works near me, zero gun experience, and he borrowed a gun off somebody so his old dad could plink in his large back yard.

Anyway, it transpires he's obviously cocked the gun and then somehow pulled the trigger

The barrel is apparently still in the broken position, but he claims the trigger released. The barrel cannot be closed and the gun is now inoperable!

I asked him to send me a photo as he couldn't tell me what gun it is. It appears to be a somewhat scruffy Fenman.

I've owned a few rammers in the past but never really had cause to work on any of them, but I would imagine the dope has either damaged the trigger sears or at the very least got them stuck.

Anyway, I've volunteered to have a look, but I'm sure someone on here will have some accurate insight?

Thanks guys, I probably won't have the gun in my possession until Tuesday now, but would appreciate any opinions

 

[Huggybear]

Had a bsa mercury that I picked up cheap, as it wouldn't lock up when closed ,I thought it would be the usual piston seized, but it turned out to be the cocking link that was that worn and it had jumped the back of the piston jamming everything up stopping the barrel from closing properly. Ended up with new piston and cocking linkage to fix.

 

[P8X]

Sounds like a broken cocking shoe
@The Squire may be able to help

 

[Blackmax]

Eyup all, hope you're well.

Now I haven't yet got the gun, but I'll grab it next week when I'm back at work, I'm just asking preemptively.

There's a chap that works near me, zero gun experience, and he borrowed a gun off somebody so his old dad could plink in his large back yard.

Anyway, it transpires he's obviously cocked the gun and then somehow pulled the trigger

The barrel is apparently still in the broken position, but he claims the trigger released. The barrel cannot be closed and the gun is now inoperable!

I asked him to send me a photo as he couldn't tell me what gun it is. It appears to be a somewhat scruffy Fenman.

I've owned a few rammers in the past but never really had cause to work on any of them, but I would imagine the dope has either damaged the trigger sears or at the very least got them stuck.

Anyway, I've volunteered to have a look, but I'm sure someone on here will have some accurate insight?

Thanks guys, I probably won't have the gun in my possession until Tuesday now, but would appreciate any opinions

Hi Jon, could be the cocking shoe broken, I’ve seen a few that have had this happen as the piston whacks into it. The Squire on here makes very nice cocking shoes and I’ve used a few of them.

Check the barrel for straightness and the pistol grip for cracks too.

If you need a hand with anything else give me a shout.

 

[Blackmax]

Sounds like a broken cocking shoe
@The Squire may be able to help

Sorry Rob, just seen your post!

 

[Aston_Shooter]

Hi Jon, could be the cocking shoe broken, I’ve seen a few that have had this happen as the piston whacks into it. The Squire on here makes very nice cocking shoes and I’ve used a few of them.

Check the barrel for straightness and the pistol grip for cracks too.

If you need a hand with anything else give me a shout.

Nice one Andy/Rob/Huggy

Funnily enough (still not got possession yet) I asked the lad who took photos of it whether it looked to be in otherwise good shape, and he mentioned it looked cracked around the grip and may have been poorly repaired (he mentioned a wood screw!).

I'll check the barrel when I get my hands on it.

 

[Stu.22]

I’m sure this will be a quick fix once the issue is identified
Got to remember Theoben’s are knocking on a bit and do develop problems from time to time
Plenty knowledgable members on here to assist

Keep us in the loop

 

[Bighit]

Remember not to cock it with the stock off if you change the shoe or you will need another new one .

 

[Aston_Shooter]

Saw it today but didn't get a lot of time and forgot to bring it home.

It definitely has a crack either side running horizontally on each side of the grip. This has obviously been there for a while, and somebody has driven a woodscrew through the base of the grip in an attempt to firm it up.

I'll try and remember to bring it back tomorrow and will remove the stock and get some photos.

 

[Aston_Shooter]

Right, sorry guys, been extraordinarily busy, but finally got the gun to my house....

Here are some photos. As soon as I got the stock off the cocking linkage fell open and I could close the barrel, so trigger sear looks to have demolished itself.

I've included some bonus photos of the stock cracking and the wood screw

 

[Blackmax]

Right, sorry guys, been extraordinarily busy, but finally got the gun to my house....

Here are some photos. As soon as I got the stock off the cocking linkage fell open and I could close the barrel, so trigger sear looks to have demolished itself.

I've included some bonus photos of the stock cracking and the wood screw

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Hi Jon,
The cocking shoe needs replacing @The Squire on here makes excellent replacements. Easy enough to do and I’m sure he’ll send you instructions.

The stock has been snapped and the repair bodged, @Nath92 will able to fix that and it’s unlikely to show.

The piston looks damaged where the cocking shoe has hit it, they’re near on impossible to find, but @Martin444 will know more about that and has the knowledge and ability to fix it.

Trigger wise, if the sear is broken, again, near on impossible to find and original part, but I understand, depending on the age, Webley trigger parts might fit it.

You really need to weight up if it’s all worth the cost and effort in repairing it, especially if the finish is not to good either. It’s always a difficult one when you have to make the decision what to do with a collectible and nostalgic rifle such as a Fenman.

 

[Aston_Shooter]

Hi Jon,
The cocking shoe needs replacing @The Squire on here makes excellent replacements. Easy enough to do and I’m sure he’ll send you instructions.

The stock has been snapped and the repair bodged, @Nath92 will able to fix that and it’s unlikely to show.

The piston looks damaged where the cocking shoe has hit it, they’re near on impossible to find, but @Martin444 will know more about that and has the knowledge and ability to fix it.

Trigger wise, if the sear is broken, again, near on impossible to find and original part, but I understand, depending on the age, Webley trigger parts might fit it.

You really need to weight up if it’s all worth the cost and effort in repairing it, especially if the finish is not to good either. It’s always a difficult one when you have to make the decision what to do with a collectible and nostalgic rifle such as a Fenman.

Thanks Andy, I think if it were mine I would commit the time and energy, but it's not, and it's only a very loose acquaintance, and it's one of those where I'd end up lumbered with it.

I think I'll just tell him it's beyond economical repair. Judging by the condition I doubt they'll want to spend money on it.

Cheers mate

 

[Blackmax]

Thanks Andy, I think if it were mine I would commit the time and energy, but it's not, and it's only a very loose acquaintance, and it's one of those where I'd end up lumbered with it.

I think I'll just tell him it's beyond economical repair. Judging by the condition I doubt they'll want to spend money on it.

Cheers mate

I think that’s probably the best shout Jon, it seems a shame, but sometimes you have to be a realist.

 

[Aston_Shooter]

I think that’s probably the best shout Jon, it seems a shame, but sometimes you have to be a realist.

Yeah, I have enough of my own projects on the go mate, so I need to pass on this one, as sad as it is to see a neglected rammer.

 

[The Squire]

Crikey, that one does look like it’s gone past the wipe over with 3-in-1 stage! The piston may dress out, the sear is unobtanium though. I’d suggest that sadly the least worst option for that may be to sell for spares.

 

[Stu.22]

Definitely seen better days that one what model is it ?
be interested in the barrel I’d the owner decided to break for spares

 

[Danthepainter]

Theoben used the Webley Omega/ Eclipse trigger group at one point. Just a guess but looks like a Fenman you've got there. Have a butcher's at post #52 in this thread and see if it rings any bells.

Post in thread 'Theoben strip and rebuild thread.'

Jul 17, 2024

Things are moving along nicely. Before I begin, yes the rifle is covered in tape because I'm not taking any chances with the new bluing.
Reassembly:
First up is the piston. The inetia weight was greased with Krytox and pushed into the main piston. I then poured in 5g of Krytox oil. The weight has a hole that allows the oil to move about inside the piston. The dummy piston is inserted after the weight and the whole assembly then goes into the cylinder. A cross pin holds it all in and that in turn is locked by a keeper screw.




Then to put...

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If you need new trigger parts for that particular unit and or a piston and ram you could try here-

You searched for theoben - Trigger Happy on-line guns and accessories

trigger-happy-guns.co.uk

Good luck.

 

[Blackmax]

Definitely seen better days that one what model is it ?
be interested in the barrel I’d the owner decided to break for spares

The barrel may well be bent if it’s been fired while cocked.

 

[Aston_Shooter]

I haven't run a straight edge down the barrel or anything, but looking at the rest of the gun it wouldn't surprise me if it's bent.

The guy isn't 'a shooter' or anything, so I have no idea what will happen to it, but if I get left with it then we'll, although I suspect it'll end up back in someone's cupboard for eternity.

Cheers for the input lads, much appreciated

 

[Toe Knee]

Had a bsa mercury that I picked up cheap, as it wouldn't lock up when closed ,I thought it would be the usual piston seized, but it turned out to be the cocking link that was that worn and it had jumped the back of the piston jamming everything up stopping the barrel from closing properly. Ended up with new piston and cocking linkage to fix.