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The running cost of an electric car - it's now no better than petrol!
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1260engineer
Member Extraordinaire
Lots of ships
silver fox
Super member
and they wonder why the SEA is rising.
nav2022
Member Extraordinaire
Now that Ofgem is no longer protecting the consumer in the UK and is actually encouraging energy companies to scank our eyeballs out, there will be no cheaper alternatives no matter which direction you turn.
Governments used to be about protecting us, not any more. Governments are now bought and sold by big energy firms, pharmacutical companies and who ever else is the biggest bidder.
Governments used to be about protecting us, not any more. Governments are now bought and sold by big energy firms, pharmacutical companies and who ever else is the biggest bidder.
1260engineer
Member Extraordinaire
Yes mate . gave me a idea though .i had never thought of looking before ..
bloody ell . if you take that lot out the water sea levels would probably drop by 10 feet 
Also they are the ones with their trackers on. Many more with out them on or any at all.
60mph rural road yet the car read the sign wrong.
Not the first time it has done it either.
Another time it was a 30mph road and it read the sign as 80.
OldStock
Member Extraordinaire
I was being straight (for once), there have been days, with less wind when you can see a tight path along the coast, a dirty highway on the sea. I often give thanks I don't live just south of the Alps as the build up there seems to be intense and regular. A few other European countries are also much worse than the worst of the UK.
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TonySTS
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Language eh? Yes I meant that you were serious you can see the trails - I took it you were saying it sort of sarcastic funny - “what? next you’ll be saying…”
Anyway, we’re all in serious agreement on the matter
Kiwi
Super member
Far too many drivers around here are busy playing on their phones in their regular cars. At least self-driving cars won't be drunk, over-tired, putting on their makeup etc.
I vote the car should swerve into the school kids though, that should keep me safe!
colin99999
Proactive member
With a self-driving car those two choices would only result as a consequence of the kids and pensioners jumping into the path of the car in a most unanticipated fashion.
The only approach self-driving can take in order to stand up to safety scrutiny is to obey every rule of the road, and drive in a defensive, risk managed manner. That way it won’t drive itself into a position where it cannot be reasonably considered to safely navigate the upcoming road risks, consequently progress will but be much more staid than human driving, but granted it may still have to take emergency in response to the actions of others. In which case it’ll follow the rules of the road and stick to its allocated space, or possibly enter other free road space if deemed safe to do so.
We end up in such situations because our risk appetite to make progress is higher than that of self-driving can be, chiefly because we get away with it the vast majority of the time through cooperation and negotiation, all bending the rules a little to get by. On the odd occasion things do go wrong, we’re reacting in the moment and society cuts us some slack if we don’t achieve the optimum outcome because it was a surprise and we’re only human. Society won’t cut preprogrammed self-driving the same slack because it should have all been thought through beforehand, hence the highly risk managed, steady as she goes approach.
colin99999
Proactive member
Re the technology, for decades it was pretty consistent that about a quarter of all motor insurance claims result from one car running into the back of another, from the days of British Leyland to those of the smartphone. Modern auto-brake of the sort in the Mach E discussed previously cuts the claims rate for front-to-rear crashes by at least a half, generally a bit more. It’s effective in pedestrian and cyclist crashes too, and they can be particularly expensive insurance wise if people are seriously hurt.
Another quarter of claims arise from parking and manoeuvring, chiefly whilst reversing. This has grown as styling has affected visibility, and cars get more complicated and expensive to repair. Camera systems help a bit, but simple systems which pop the brakes on the moment before the driver reverses into another car or a bollard are hugely effective.
Electronic stability control has been proven to reduce fatal single vehicle crashes by a quarter to a third depending on vehicle type, and is hugely effective at preventing rollover of taller vehicles.
Granted some tech is proving less effective than anticipated and can be a little obtrusive to drive with, but we’re continually working to polish that. But you can see why insurers enthusiastically endorse the tech, because us humans have always been prone to the odd driving cock up long before smart phones, and cars were all about screens and connectivity.
On the other hand the drawn out gestation of self-driving has made people including me realise just how bloody good us humans are at successfully driving by ourselves and in close proximity to one another with a bit of give and take.
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Bill.B
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@colin99999, don't forget about tyre technology, the vast improvements in rubber based compounds has aided in significantly reducing stopping distances in the wet and dry, and prevented many from ending up in the scenery on bends etc. 
Carnivore
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Best laugh I've had this week.
See separate new thread - EV owners now to pay car tax.
Not so smug now, eh?
Not so smug now, eh?
jesim1
Member Extraordinaire
No apology needed, and feel free to keep chiming in, real world experience is always beneficial, and this is not a thread for or against electric cars, they are the future whether we like it or not, but there are still a lot of grey areas, options, and decisions to be made by people depending on their likely usage
Ultra Hunter
Active member
This work is commendable. However there are significant concerns around the safety of motorcyclists and autonomous cars. When will the tech be there to work effectively for all road users not just tin can drivers?
Electric Vehicles
Err No Thanks
Im quite happy driving my petrol car and my diesel van
Err No Thanks
Im quite happy driving my petrol car and my diesel van
Talking about ships, my last vessel was at the forefront of modern marine engine and fuel technology. I was Captain of her and when she left the building yard in China 2016 she was the largest and most sophisticated of her type in the World. Apart from wind power she is the cleanest for the environment.
World's 1st Ethane Fuel Conversion Completed on Board Navigator Aurora
Navigator Aurora’s main engine has been converted from LNG to ethane fueling.www.offshore-energy.biz
Well, that knocks my “ I once stood behind Keith Chegwin in a patrol station “ claim to fame into a cocked hat.