The Benjamin Akela Thread

[32:1]

True. But...there will come a point where you drop below its actual value if you stick to the 2/3rds rule. £200 for a Akela is just silly.

Agreed thats why Ive kept mine, no point giving it away

 

[Benjaminakela]

There is a centering cap on the end of the barrel, attached to the unf thread.

The shroud unscrews from the breech end. Do that grub screw back up, then unscrew the shroud from the part you just tightened the grub into. Then you can remove the shroud, and you’ll see the part on the end of the barrel.

Thanks buddy, got it sorted, thank you. Was wanting to run a mod without the shroud but the barrel is approx 1 to 2 to short for my mod. Mod touches the air cylinder.

Much appreciated for the reply tho

Thanks

 

[Avalon]

There comes a point where what it cost is largely irrelevant, HW100's used to cost £650 not that long back, a Leshiy was £800. Without a time machine the fact that the last few were sold off cheap by the distributor has nothing to do with the value of one today. Those few who got them 'cheap' were the minority, and although seemingly not a big seller, there are probably way more out there that went for full price or near it.

 

[32:1]

There comes a point where what it cost is largely irrelevant, HW100's used to cost £650 not that long back, a Leshiy was £800. Without a time machine the fact that the last few were sold off cheap by the distributor has nothing to do with the value of one today. Those few who got them 'cheap' were the minority, and although seemingly not a big seller, there are probably way more out there that went for full price or near it.

I disagree a little with that as once a product is seen to be sold off cheap it 100% devalues that product, its why manufacturers/importers try to force the rrp deal as to hold up values as some bulk buyers try to sell off under that price thus devaluing the item for everyone

It depends a fair amount on what that product is obviously and something like the Edgun will ride a different wave to a batch of Turkish guns as neither are now imported

 

[Sharpsman]

I wouldn't sell one for £200 for sure ,going price seems to be about £550 new , there was a deal on Amazon were a fare few members got a compressor for about £30 then got another 50% refunded so they ended up costing about £14 , going by some people theory then if one of these compressors got sold it should go for a tenner . I don't think there was enough akelas sold at £300 to affect used prices but I think what has affected it is people having issues with the magazines ect . Two minutes with a file and using the little screws to lift the mag height up a bit and I have not had an issue in about 3000 shots with mine , a friend borrowed mine while his daystate was away months ago and he said it's worked fine and he likes using it .

 

[Avalon]

I disagree a little with that as once a product is seen to be sold off cheap it 100% devalues that product, its why manufacturers/importers try to force the rrp deal as to hold up values as some bulk buyers try to sell off under that price thus devaluing the item for everyone

It depends a fair amount on what that product is obviously and something like the Edgun will ride a different wave to a batch of Turkish guns as neither are now imported

You’re free to disagree if you want, but the compressor example above, the pump example before it, the £99 Optisan sell-off, the rebranded Continental’s as Elltech’s, the Black Friday Huben deal, Kaisers being rebranded FTT’s for half the price and he who shall not be named selling Baracuda Match for an insanely low price didn’t kill residuals on any of those, nor should they. I got one of the last 7? Akela returns for a frankly silly price of £249, that doesn’t make them only worth £164.99 now any more than it makes my Leshiy worth £533, if you invent a Time Machine then obviously that’s different

While the manufacturer (or importer in this case) is free to suggest a RRP, they can't stipulate minimum pricing without breaking the law, it's literally price fixing and the fine is up to 10% of annual turnover, you’ll find when challenged about that they tend to fold like origami.

Also it's your bloomin fault I bought an Akela... and a Cricket

 

[Talyllyn]

You may not be able to sell on here for a "sensible" price on here as a lot of folk will be aware of the bargain price some were originally bought for. I n the wider world that may not be an issue.

 

[32:1]

You’re free to disagree if you want, but the compressor example above, the pump example before it, the £99 Optisan sell-off, the rebranded Continental’s as Elltech’s, the Black Friday Huben deal, Kaisers being rebranded FTT’s for half the price and he who shall not be named selling Baracuda Match for an insanely low price didn’t kill residuals on any of those, nor should they. I got one of the last 7? Akela returns for a frankly silly price of £249, that doesn’t make them only worth £164.99 now any more than it makes my Leshiy worth £533, if you invent a Time Machine then obviously that’s different

While the manufacturer (or importer in this case) is free to suggest a RRP, they can't stipulate minimum pricing without breaking the law, it's literally price fixing and the fine is up to 10% of annual turnover, you’ll find when challenged about that they tend to fold like origami.

I wish I had that time machine, Id go back and buy plenty of Theoben rapids

I know rrp can only be suggested as Im involved with a manufacturing company, they scour adverts looking for sellers ruining the products value for other sellers, as once its seen for say £250 buyers then refuse to pay the 500 other sellers have it up for thus forcing that dealer to either discount, or return product and we rarely see them buy stock again.
If selling under rrp didn’t effect values why do manufacturers try so hard to hold values up

Although there’s no way to force a seller to hold rrp or even stopping them sell at a loss with your product, but what can happen is there’s nothing in stock when they ask to purchase more

I agree with the edgun deal as they are advertised much higher now and have become almost cult status like the Theoben Rapid and prices have constantly risen, alas the Akela isn’t an Edgun nor a rapid. So it depends on what the product is and a whole lot more obviously.

The Akela was a 650 gun, so seeing it sold new for under half that definitely effected the value imo and watching them hang around at 300 not selling tells me people know they were cheaper new, Ive a rather nice Akela here and if I could get its 2/3’s of cost Id snap the buyers hand off

 

[Peddy]

I’m more than happy with the quality for £300, I think most folk who got them at that price were off here, same with the p15 and P10. Which is why they won’t make good money. I’m waiting for someone to off load the bargain defiant!

 

[b.norwich]

I had shot, really well let mine go cheap could get on with a bullpup.but good airrifle.

 

[Benjaminakela]

I had shot, really well let mine go cheap could get on with a bullpup.but good airrifle.

 

[Benjaminakela]

Honestly, fitted a regulator to mine, outstanding accuracy out to 40 yards. Only down side is magazines and the breech being open when they probe comes in to load the pellet. Pellets can fall back into the breech and then into the action. Big big downside BUT with the right mags, for the price brilliant.

 

[Peddy]

Honestly, fitted a regulator to mine, outstanding accuracy out to 40 yards. Only down side is magazines and the breech being open when they probe comes in to load the pellet. Pellets can fall back into the breech and then into the action. Big big downside BUT with the right mags, for the price brilliant.

Agree about the mags, I think the original ones were the initial downfall of the gun. Mine runs off an aftermarket one off John on here. I think it’s the first Turkish gun I’ve owned that feels like it’s set up for sub12. Which reg have you fitted? Btw be mindful of posting hunting pictures

 

[Benjaminakela]

Agree about the mags, I think the original ones were the initial downfall of the gun. Mine runs off an aftermarket one off John on here. I think it’s the first Turkish gun I’ve owned that feels like it’s set up for sub12. Which reg have you fitted? Btw be mindful of posting hunting pictures

Ooooo sorry didn’t realise about pics thought were allowed, apologies Admin will delete. I’ve just ordered a mag off John, hopefully it works. Have tried a 3d printed off someone else and is the same. I added a FX AMP reg as is the same tube size as the wildcat.

 

[Peddy]

Ooooo sorry didn’t realise about pics thought were allowed, apologies Admin will delete. I’ve just ordered a mag off John, hopefully it works. Have tried a 3d printed off someone else and is the same. I added a FX AMP reg as is the same tube size as the wildcat.

I run Johns mags in a lot my guns, they are excellent. How was the tube for undoing? Some can be villains without marking cylinder. I assume you had to create a breather for the reg?

 

[Sharpsman]

I run Johns mags in a lot my guns, they are excellent. How was the tube for undoing? Some can be villains without marking cylinder. I assume you had to create a breather for the reg?

Fitted a lane one to mine I just removed the cylinder o ring ,

 

[Peddy]

Fitted a lane one to mine I just removed the cylinder o ring ,

Did the cylinder screw off ok without using a vice? That’s good to know you didn’t have to make a breather for the reg. lve just fitted a lane to one of my P10s transformed it for £70.

 

[Sharpsman]

Did the cylinder screw off ok without using a vice? That’s good to know you didn’t have to make a breather for the reg. lve just fitted a lane to one of my P10s transformed it for £70.

I just clamped the block in a padded vice and undone it undone by hand using a bit of inner tube to give me a grip it wasn't that tight .

 

[32:1]

Im still on original mags after years of use and well over 10k shots between them, no issues whatsoever but .22 if that makes a difference.
Regged mine but as it was one of the first batch I had to send Rob the valve block so he could make a pattern, once fitted I found huge increases in shotcount as per 99% of Turkish stuff, basically put my kral settings into it and hey presto, one heck of an efficient gun, then cut 250mm off the barrel so silencer didn’t overhang much, lightened and shortstroked hammer along with delrin slip rings and ended up with a fantastic little pcp which has performed perfectly and I get over 250 shots perfill.
Its been ignored for a few months since getting my .25 kral bitsa sorted although the grandson has his eyes on it

The internals are Kral derivatives with the exception of the magazines which are the slimmer Reximex offerings, Im sure Kral make most of the Turkish stuff except Hatsan branded gear obviously

 

[32:1]

I’m more than happy with the quality for £300, I think most folk who got them at that price were off here, same with the p15 and P10. Which is why they won’t make good money. I’m waiting for someone to off load the bargain defiant!

A shooting bud bought a p15 from countryway when they were 249.00

I think pelpax have a deal on bsa’s