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Hiram
Super member
Congrats on the new legislation! I'm confident that the UK's violent crime rate will plummet as a result. After all, we all know that being chopped with a two-hole machete is deadly, whereas a one-holer, well, that merely results in a flesh wound.
I'd love it if your police would actually release the stats (and I'm certain they have them and have been ordered to keep them under wraps) on how often common kitchen knives are used in crimes. Unless @Bighit can suss the stats out, I doubt they are out there. And if @Bighit can't suss them out, none of us can. (Seriously, @Bighit, I do value the searching you do, amigo. I'm not kidding, I mean that, keeps all of us grounded.)
This obsession with banning things rather than punishing behavior... it's neurotic, self defeating and doomed to failure. Why won't the UK simply build more prisons? Is it some form bragging? Like; we have fewer incarcerated people (because we don't have the space and we are sensitive to outside cultural norms) therefore we are a safer society nonsense? Is that it? Or is it simply economics? Prisons are damned expensive and offer zero return on investment. Is it soft as warm butter judges taking "instruction" from governement (a topic for another day)? I don't get it.
It's sad to see so many honest work-a-day forumites sacred to death of going to 12.1 FPE while crims who actually mug people seem to get a pass based on absolute BS about their upbringing, education level, economic situation, home culture, etc. etc.
I'd love it if your police would actually release the stats (and I'm certain they have them and have been ordered to keep them under wraps) on how often common kitchen knives are used in crimes. Unless @Bighit can suss the stats out, I doubt they are out there. And if @Bighit can't suss them out, none of us can. (Seriously, @Bighit, I do value the searching you do, amigo. I'm not kidding, I mean that, keeps all of us grounded.)
This obsession with banning things rather than punishing behavior... it's neurotic, self defeating and doomed to failure. Why won't the UK simply build more prisons? Is it some form bragging? Like; we have fewer incarcerated people (because we don't have the space and we are sensitive to outside cultural norms) therefore we are a safer society nonsense? Is that it? Or is it simply economics? Prisons are damned expensive and offer zero return on investment. Is it soft as warm butter judges taking "instruction" from governement (a topic for another day)? I don't get it.
It's sad to see so many honest work-a-day forumites sacred to death of going to 12.1 FPE while crims who actually mug people seem to get a pass based on absolute BS about their upbringing, education level, economic situation, home culture, etc. etc.
madmole
Active member
They have basically now banned all diving knives. the long serrated edge is needed for cutting rope and nets. So while not affecting criminals at all they have made every dive more dangerous as we cant carry the proper tools. I assume having a net cutter built in also qualifies them as now 2 blades and points. One of mine even has writing on the blade ("Scubapro").
Buggered if I'm going on a wreck and under netting without several knives strapped to me, they can jog on
Buggered if I'm going on a wreck and under netting without several knives strapped to me, they can jog on
I do searching as I find backing up your posts with figures is better than assuming or posting what you think is right. I may not get it right all the time and I accept it when I'm shown I'm wrong with evidence to back it up rather than " your wrong and look yourself as I'm not showing you "
I get a little cheesed off with some who keep saying things are banned when in fact they are not . Pin tail combs and Snorkel jackets are two of those
.I don't think you will find a true figure as they won't be able to identify what bladed instruments are used in all crime's.
A little search finds this , I have just skimmed through it , some one else can read it all if they like .
There is a thing called the 4 A's
When analysing the types of knives being used in your local area,
consider the four ‘A’s.
Availability – how prevalent are different knife types in the
community?
Attractiveness – what features of a knife make it attractive
to users?
Affordability – how much resource does it take to acquire a
particular knife type and what are the associated costs in doing so?
Accessibility – what restrictions are in place to prevent access to
knives and how effective are they?
Availability
Unlike firearms, knives are in most homes, are in many workplaces
and can be legally purchased online. Although legislation has banned
some knife types and, in doing so, has reduced their availability,
domestic kitchen knives and craft knives are ubiquitous.
But availability alone cannot explain the observed patterns in the types
of knives that are carried or those used in violence. Knife use for
criminal purposes is also affected by attractiveness, affordability and
accessibility, which if altered may increase or decrease the likelihood
that someone might use or carry a particular knife
Attractiveness
Although knives have high availability, many have features that mean
they are not well-suited for use in violence. These features may
be practical, such as having too small a blade to cause damage or
lacking a guard that protects the user from accidental injury. Features
that make a particular type of knife attractive can also be aesthetic:
more menacing-looking and less available knives often have higher
status or are more effective in threatening people, while more
readily available knives and less dangerous knives have lower status.
Consequently, it is not inevitable that someone will carry a kitchen
knife just because a more attractive weapon is less accessible.
Affordability
Acquiring different types of knives have different costs, and these
costs are both financial and (potentially) punitive. At one end of the
spectrum, a kitchen knife in a person’s home has high affordability
but there are consequences of being found in possession of one
outside the home. At the other end of the spectrum is an illegal
or rare knife, such as a ‘zombie knife’, that is more expensive and
has higher punitive costs. It is therefore important to balance
attractiveness and availability with affordability. An implication for
problem solving is that an expensive weapon with low affordability,
such as a zombie knife, is less likely to be discarded in a park or a
knife bin. When their availability and attractiveness is high, an illicit
market or loan system for these knives may also emerge.
Accessibility
Although a particular knife type may be readily available in shops
or from online retailers, there are often restrictions in place to limit
how easy it is for a person to access them. In shops, this might
be security restrictions to prevent the knife being stolen, policies
around age restrictions or keeping knives behind a counter. In
online retail, the Offensive Weapons Act 2019 has extended these
restrictions to doorstep deliveries. Outside of retail accessibility,
situational interventions like knife arches can significantly reduce the
accessibility of a knife to certain premises
In producing this guidance document, we examined the types of
knives used in fatal violence in London in 2019/20.
Informed by the
four A’s framework (attractiveness, availability, affordability and
accessibility), we found that the attractiveness of certain knives,
such as machetes, appears to outweigh the difficulties of sourcing
them (availability and accessibility) or the risks of being arrested
in possession of them (affordability). In the image below, the size
of each circle shows how often a particular type of knife featured
in murder in London in 2019/20. The width of the line connecting
the circles represents how frequently two types of weapons were
used in the same incident, thereby indicating group violence. The
image tells us that specialist knives are indeed a serious problem in
London (at least over the period analysed) and that group violence
tends to involve multiple specialist knives.
Therefore, tackling the
availability of these types of knives in an effort to reduce knife-
related violence is a logical response.
As you can see, Machetes and the large combat type seem to be the go to choice in that area.
A kitchen Knife might be easy to get but it may not be what the people who carries knives want as a machete or the the " that knife again " type is more intimidating .
When you have shops like Anglo Arms who are seen as the first place to go when you want something that fits the 4 A's.
Police had a slogan " that knife again " when they were taking a certain type off people in stop and searches and so on.
It was the large black handled knife seen in pics below that was almost always shown.
According to several articles, Police where finding one brand of knife more than others . Anglo Arms
The £19.99 zombie knife bought with pocket money to kill innocent teen
Malcolm Mide-Madariola, 17, was knifed to death outside Clapham South tube station in November
www.mirror.co.uk
They said they were going to stop selling them
Brit "Rambo" knife firm vows to quit making weapons to help halt crime epidemic
EXCLUSIVE: The arms company has stopped selling the 15in knife police keep finding on thugs
Over the last few days . Notice what knife they were carrying ? Yep "that knife again "
This guy takes Knives off the streets . Anglo Arms knives is the brand he gets a lot .
Watch the video on X
A few of the "that knife again " ones here from the above video
others from the video.
Look at what he has taken off the streets and handing in. He does hand in Kitchen knives too for all of those who say he is only showing certain ones .
Some will say the above is fake but that's up to them .
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I forgot to add this bit .I do searching as I find backing up your posts with figures is better than assuming or posting what you think is right. I may not get it right all the time and I accept it when I'm shown I'm wrong with evidence to back it up rather than " your wrong and look yourself as I'm not showing you "
I get a little cheesed off with some who keep saying things are banned when in fact they are not . Pin tail combs and Snorkel jackets are two of those
I don't think you will find a true figure as they won't be able to identify what bladed instruments are used in all crime's.
A little search finds this , I have just skimmed through it , some one else can read it all if they like .
There is a thing called the 4 A's
When analysing the types of knives being used in your local area,
consider the four ‘A’s.
Availability – how prevalent are different knife types in the
community?
Attractiveness – what features of a knife make it attractive
to users?
Affordability – how much resource does it take to acquire a
particular knife type and what are the associated costs in doing so?
Accessibility – what restrictions are in place to prevent access to
knives and how effective are they?
Availability
Unlike firearms, knives are in most homes, are in many workplaces
and can be legally purchased online. Although legislation has banned
some knife types and, in doing so, has reduced their availability,
domestic kitchen knives and craft knives are ubiquitous.
But availability alone cannot explain the observed patterns in the types
of knives that are carried or those used in violence. Knife use for
criminal purposes is also affected by attractiveness, affordability and
accessibility, which if altered may increase or decrease the likelihood
that someone might use or carry a particular knife
Attractiveness
Although knives have high availability, many have features that mean
they are not well-suited for use in violence. These features may
be practical, such as having too small a blade to cause damage or
lacking a guard that protects the user from accidental injury. Features
that make a particular type of knife attractive can also be aesthetic:
more menacing-looking and less available knives often have higher
status or are more effective in threatening people, while more
readily available knives and less dangerous knives have lower status.
Consequently, it is not inevitable that someone will carry a kitchen
knife just because a more attractive weapon is less accessible.
Affordability
Acquiring different types of knives have different costs, and these
costs are both financial and (potentially) punitive. At one end of the
spectrum, a kitchen knife in a person’s home has high affordability
but there are consequences of being found in possession of one
outside the home. At the other end of the spectrum is an illegal
or rare knife, such as a ‘zombie knife’, that is more expensive and
has higher punitive costs. It is therefore important to balance
attractiveness and availability with affordability. An implication for
problem solving is that an expensive weapon with low affordability,
such as a zombie knife, is less likely to be discarded in a park or a
knife bin. When their availability and attractiveness is high, an illicit
market or loan system for these knives may also emerge.
Accessibility
Although a particular knife type may be readily available in shops
or from online retailers, there are often restrictions in place to limit
how easy it is for a person to access them. In shops, this might
be security restrictions to prevent the knife being stolen, policies
around age restrictions or keeping knives behind a counter. In
online retail, the Offensive Weapons Act 2019 has extended these
restrictions to doorstep deliveries. Outside of retail accessibility,
situational interventions like knife arches can significantly reduce the
accessibility of a knife to certain premises
In producing this guidance document, we examined the types of
knives used in fatal violence in London in 2019/20.
Informed by the
four A’s framework (attractiveness, availability, affordability and
accessibility), we found that the attractiveness of certain knives,
such as machetes, appears to outweigh the difficulties of sourcing
them (availability and accessibility) or the risks of being arrested
in possession of them (affordability). In the image below, the size
of each circle shows how often a particular type of knife featured
in murder in London in 2019/20. The width of the line connecting
the circles represents how frequently two types of weapons were
used in the same incident, thereby indicating group violence. The
image tells us that specialist knives are indeed a serious problem in
London (at least over the period analysed) and that group violence
tends to involve multiple specialist knives.
Therefore, tackling the
availability of these types of knives in an effort to reduce knife-
related violence is a logical response.
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As you can see, Machetes and the large combat type seem to be the go to choice in that area.
A kitchen Knife might be easy to get but it may not be what the people who carries knives want as a machete or the the " that knife again " type is more intimidating .
When you have shops like Anglo Arms who are seen as the first place to go when you want something that fits the 4 A's.
Police had a slogan " that knife again " when they were taking a certain type off people in stop and searches and so on.
It was the large black handled knife seen in pics below that was almost always shown.
According to several articles, Police where finding one brand of knife more than others . Anglo Arms
The £19.99 zombie knife bought with pocket money to kill innocent teen
Malcolm Mide-Madariola, 17, was knifed to death outside Clapham South tube station in Novemberwww.mirror.co.uk
They said they were going to stop selling them
Brit "Rambo" knife firm vows to quit making weapons to help halt crime epidemic
EXCLUSIVE: The arms company has stopped selling the 15in knife police keep finding on thugswww.mirror.co.uk
Over the last few days . Notice what knife they were carrying ? Yep "that knife again "
View attachment 549760View attachment 549761
This guy takes Knives off the streets . Anglo Arms knives is the brand he gets a lot .
Watch the video on X
A few of the "that knife again " ones here from the above video
View attachment 549785
others from the video.
View attachment 549784
Look at what he has taken off the streets and handing in. He does hand in Kitchen knives too for all of those who say he is only showing certain ones .
Some will say the above is fake but that's up to them .
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Faron said: “I’ve picked up over 800 knives, and around 40 per cent of them have been from Anglo Arms.
“When I was speaking to my other project partners, they were saying Anglo Arms is the branded weapon that they see more than any other, and to me, that’s alarming.”
He added that if Anglo Arms’ weapons were only ending up in the hands of legitimate people, then the police wouldn’t be collecting so many of them.
When you see the pics and see the same knives " there's that knife again " appearing time and time again , He is not wrong .
"there's hat knife again" link to X
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oddbob22
Super member
Wait till one of them winks at you, that's the signal, so I'm told.Im trying buddy but im in the middle of a field of sheep , walking around like a total knob trying to get a signal
Redboat01
Member Extraordinaire
From personal experience of handing in an affected machete at a police station, the person at the desk had to phone her supervisor as it was a few days early. She asked me to just drop it in the amnesty box instead and asked if I minded if she binned the form I had bought. Overall they were very pleasant and seemed uninterested in any follow up with me.
They did tell me they had been given all sorts of stuff, like protractors, to be able to check with people if needed.
Not making any particular point, just explaining what it was like to hand it in. Incidentally, when I took mine in I had the it all wrapped in cardboard and taped shut as recommended in the guidance.
Cammie1314
Super member
We don't get many machete attacks up here, it's all black handled kitchen knives are they're available and cheap (usually stolen from someone's knife block). Easy carry up the sleeve and easily binned after use (usually down a drain). Let's ban kitchen knives..........kidding. I've just remembered I have a Polish Army an it has serrations on the blade. It may be over 8" one will have to check
No, just aound the house.
Opening letters and peeling spuds etc. A very versatile tool.
I have a Kantana i use to clean under my nails and skin grapes with.
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7.5” inch blade ( according to your original picture ) so no , it’s not banned .
8” plus bladed diving knife ? You looking for Jaws ?
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This one is 8” blade
Does it have both a plain and serrated edge ?
gbseamonkey
Busy member
Summarised well in this video. looks like the plan to get a Jack Crain LS1 custom made next year is out the window,
Didn’t he pass away in 2016 ?
gbseamonkey
Busy member
Presume you mean Jack crain and not the bloke in the video.
Was looking at using this guy in Italy https://www.marcoknives.com/
Of course ,he’s clearly alive
just when you said a Jack Crain custom , I assumed you meant a custom from Jack Crain
