Carnivore
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If this can happen in the factory where they are made, how safe are they in a car, e-bike, your phone or in solar PV home battery storage as they age?
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Lithium Batteries
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We had a waste recycling centre here go up in flames https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-63822007
Bin lorries have been catching fire due to them being thrown in the wrong bins also
www.eastleigh.gov.uk
Possibly a disposable vape battery or any other item with a battery fitted but vapes are more often the cause as they are thrown away more . 5 million a week they claim https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business... vapes are,recycling bins, the research found.
They are puncturing car tyres also as they are often thrown from moving vehicles . They can then set the tyre on fire or just deflate it .
I'm not anti vaping in any way , but people need to dispose of them the correct way . Not thrown out of moving vehicles onto the roads , grass verges or other places where they can catch fire or do other damage .
I'm heading to my dentist soon and I'm walking and I suspect I will see at least two or three on the road one my way there and back that has been crushed by a vehicle or lying on the pathway .
The packaging is a problem also. Carboard box thrown on the path or road, Mylar packet thrown on the road or path and there is a bin less than 20 yards from it . I see this a lot where I live. The shop is at the end of my road and the packaging is thrown onto the ground as they walk away from the shop.
Bin lorries have been catching fire due to them being thrown in the wrong bins also
Disposable vapes cause bin lorry fire
The message to residents is do not place vapes in your kerbside bins following a fire in a Council bin lorry caused by discarded vapes
www.eastleigh.gov.uk
Possibly a disposable vape battery or any other item with a battery fitted but vapes are more often the cause as they are thrown away more . 5 million a week they claim https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business... vapes are,recycling bins, the research found.
They are puncturing car tyres also as they are often thrown from moving vehicles . They can then set the tyre on fire or just deflate it .
I'm not anti vaping in any way , but people need to dispose of them the correct way . Not thrown out of moving vehicles onto the roads , grass verges or other places where they can catch fire or do other damage .
I'm heading to my dentist soon and I'm walking and I suspect I will see at least two or three on the road one my way there and back that has been crushed by a vehicle or lying on the pathway .
The packaging is a problem also. Carboard box thrown on the path or road, Mylar packet thrown on the road or path and there is a bin less than 20 yards from it . I see this a lot where I live. The shop is at the end of my road and the packaging is thrown onto the ground as they walk away from the shop.
Mark Palmer
Member Extraordinaire
A proper recycling system needs to be put in place for these batteries, either with a suitable credit rewards a new /replacement one or a cash incentive. That will reduce the fire risk and reduce the batteries becoming landfill, front load the purchase price/manufacturer/importers to pay for it.... it could be done
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Few years ago work laptop (type where the battery is not a clip off job) got really really hot while I was using it and started to give off a nasty smell. I took it into the utility room getting worried it was going to melt. Few minutes later white smoke and the most horrendous whiff. Left it outside to cool down and took it to the IT dept the next day. They said we'll fix it and give you a shout in an hour to which I said I don't think so mate it's been on fire - he just laughed.
When I went back to collect it he gave me a different one and showed me the old one which he had dismantled - you were right he said it has been on fire! There was black soot all over the inside of it!
So yeah lithium batteries are definitely NOT 100% safe.
When I went back to collect it he gave me a different one and showed me the old one which he had dismantled - you were right he said it has been on fire! There was black soot all over the inside of it!
So yeah lithium batteries are definitely NOT 100% safe.
OldStock
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They can't make the car economics work as is, recognising the true costs to produce, and recycle the materials, would completely blow the lid off the eco cover up.
That is before we factor in the risk.
Lee71
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Just sort it like bottle return used to be.
MoggyM
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Scooters are not legal and therefore no standards apply to them so, they are cheap and nasty ant the most fire occurs with them.
EVs catch fire on a lot lower percentage of ownership than ICE vehicles.
EVs catch fire on a lot lower percentage of ownership than ICE vehicles.
Mark Palmer
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I dont disagree, human nature means a large number of these batteries will go into landfill, unless there is a financial incentive to dispose of correctly, you could make dumping them illegal and prosecute, all that will do is make lawyers rich and add a bucket load of bureaucratic costs (inspectors, investigators prosecutors etc) to the individual unit...the disposable vapes could be done with a say £5 return deposit per unit, it would only be paid once and effectively refunded/recharged at point of sale .... same with all of the batteries. Incentives are a proven method
Andy from Sandy
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I would think it is more likely to have some form of incident during manufacture, it is just that this time it went and burnt the factory down and there was loss of life.
As for throwing hard plastic items out of a car window I suspect it happens with disposable lighters as well just not in the same numbers.
As for throwing hard plastic items out of a car window I suspect it happens with disposable lighters as well just not in the same numbers.
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Yeah it's not the frequency it's the potential. I've seen a handful of petrol cars on fire in my lifetime - maybe 4 or 5 but at least 3 or 4 of them were contained and put out quickly and they were no doubt back on the road in a few days. Only once do I recall watching a car become a burnt out shell.
Unless I'm mistaken with an EV once its on fire it more likely burns until it decides to stop regardless of any fire fighting applied.
Mark Palmer
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One has to wonder if suitable health and safety procedures/safe handling protocols were followed at the plants concerned.... there is a reason it's not as economical to manufacture and recycle these things in more heavily regulated countries
Ratman72
Super member
Hello, The recent fire that took out a line of house roofs was blamed on a E scooter being charged, and a lot of fires put down to these Battery Scooters, Why not charge out doors ????
Andy from Sandy
Super member
Even with electronic devices there is a way to grind them to tiny little pieces and then extract the elements wanted.
It is actually quite easy to make a lithium cell inert but it takes a bit of time to fully discharge it to zero volts.
Most chargers I suspect do not do any kind of health check and go straight into charging mode. They probably don't monitor individual cells either so one cell could easily over charge with consequences.
My lithium charger here for RC batteries has an input for each cell in a pack of 6 to ensure they get balanced and stay balanced during charging.
Charge outdoors in London with no garden or secure area. Yeah, that's not going to happen is it?
It is actually quite easy to make a lithium cell inert but it takes a bit of time to fully discharge it to zero volts.
Most chargers I suspect do not do any kind of health check and go straight into charging mode. They probably don't monitor individual cells either so one cell could easily over charge with consequences.
My lithium charger here for RC batteries has an input for each cell in a pack of 6 to ensure they get balanced and stay balanced during charging.
Charge outdoors in London with no garden or secure area. Yeah, that's not going to happen is it?
I hate to be contrary, however electric scooters are perfectly legal in the UK, just not on public roads at present.
I bought mine about a year ago for fishing. I fish on rivers where you may need to walk (scoot) long distances, as my knees and back are suboptimal these days (mainly due to trials & enduro accidents in my younger years) I needed a way to get my tackle to the places I wanted to fish. An old codger friend of mine showed me his scooter (he's in his 70s and even more knackered than me) and I knew I needed one right now!
They're quite dear, but as most would agree, any price is fair when you can't walk any further! I think they retail about 2K new, but you can sometimes get one second-hand for a lot less.
This is made for adults and have off-road capabilities, that is two-wheel drive, over 50MPH, dual front and rear suspension, front & rear disc brakes, 50+ mile range and can carry 265 pounds weight, that's a lot of burgers and/or fishing gear!
It's not used on public roads, just on land I have permission on, and NO, my son isn't allowed to ride it (although he can jump on it when I'm driving)
Batteries are NOT Chinese, they're either Japanese or South Korean.
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Not all are hard plastic though. A lot are metal. some aluminium and some stainless steel.
Battery from one. Some harvest the batteries for electronics projects.
This one has been there for a while . possibly aluminium
Steel .
1mile walk to my dentist and only one side of the road and pavement .
The road sweeper was round the day and many more were possibly lifted by it .
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If there are 70 year olds pelting around on 50mph scooters I think they'll end up doing themselves a lot more harm than good!
Mark Palmer
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Road sweeper? WTF is one of those?!! Not seen a road sweeping truck for years!!
In my previous job, I liaised with the Fire Brigade quite a bit, as my job involved checking fire precautions in buildings.
I attended a couple of training sessions in recent years, organised by the brigade, specifically on Lithium Battery fires, the causes, the damage caused, how they deal with them, etc.
The videos they showed were truly frightening, (this was only couple of years ago) car fires, ebike fires, escooter fires and mobile phone fires.
Some are very quick to start, some explode, all usually caused by thermal runaway. Putting them out is almost impossible, you just have to wait for them to burn themselves out, and be wary of them restarting, once they have gone out!
I personally try not to have any lithium batteries in the house, some are in the garage, separated by fire resistant structure and fire door, also with smoke detector in the garage, and I never leave anything charging on by itself, eg: overnight, or while we out of the house, etc. I also never use cheap 3rd party chargers, ever! Always use the manufacturers charger.
I attended a couple of training sessions in recent years, organised by the brigade, specifically on Lithium Battery fires, the causes, the damage caused, how they deal with them, etc.
The videos they showed were truly frightening, (this was only couple of years ago) car fires, ebike fires, escooter fires and mobile phone fires.
Some are very quick to start, some explode, all usually caused by thermal runaway. Putting them out is almost impossible, you just have to wait for them to burn themselves out, and be wary of them restarting, once they have gone out!
I personally try not to have any lithium batteries in the house, some are in the garage, separated by fire resistant structure and fire door, also with smoke detector in the garage, and I never leave anything charging on by itself, eg: overnight, or while we out of the house, etc. I also never use cheap 3rd party chargers, ever! Always use the manufacturers charger.
We have them often here . Maybe because we are on a main route . It does the road and the pavement . You know when its been on the pavement as it leaves a line of stones in the middle where both brushes don't overlap or the steel bristles are discarded from the brushes.
7 houses gutted due to what they claim was an E scooter .
Faulty e-scooter blamed for devastating fire ripping through seven houses
FIRE chiefs have blamed a faulty e-scooter for a devastating blaze that tore through seven houses. Dozens of people were forced to flee their homes on Wednesday night as the fire devastated a terra…
www.thesun.co.uk