Issue of selling and then posting of a rifle, etc on the sales forum - possible insurance cover available now

[Thetraindriver01]

Its all there to find if people just looked for it .

Maybe we should also inform them the Post Ofice and Royal MAil are seperate companies as many will say the PO staff dont know their own terms .

Its not their rules . Its the company they sell the servces of that sets the term;s and the staff may not know them all so you may need to educate them by showing them the terms.

I agree, not all employees know the rules as it's not a day to day item they process, just the same as if an oddball item appeared in our own jobs... So instead of saying I don't know, they go for what they know instead and get it wrong, just human nature not to look stupid at work. Maybe taking along the rules that you have already researched may help and avoid too much embarrassment of the postal service employee and it helps things along with your time too

As regards to RM and PF, all customers with the both apps had a message a few months ago informing them of the merger and that the PF app would no longer be in use, only the RM one, so that tells me that RM have taken it back and we need to go by whatever rules they sneak in with the merger unfortunately...

Good luck to everyone with it as its a minefield lol

 

[Thetraindriver01]

Its a subject that come's up a lot and people keep posting incorrect information despite being shown the correct terms time and time again.

I have been mentioning Secursus on these threads also.

Thanks @Bighit much appreciation for your help as it is evident that others struggle with the jargon and research

 

[Thetraindriver01]

Securuss Insurance

As @Bighit they will, but at their discretion. You must read their Terms & Conditions, as for the cost it would appear that it would cost £10 to cover £1000, or £3.60 for £200 on a sliding scale

When I inquired in January last year, this was the reply. The prices are from their web page today

Here are our rules regarding shipping air rifles :

• The firearm must be transported in a way that it is not immediately usable, either through a technical device or by disassembling one of its components.
• The energy at the muzzle must be between 2 and 20 joules. Beyond this range, it falls into category C weapons, which is excluded.

Should you need more information, please let me know.

These costs are on top of Royal Mail costs you pay the postage then send Securuss the tracking No
Just a reminder get it in writing first, and read the T&C's
This is not a recommendation. I did not use this service only because I decided not to sell the rifle, but it looks like an option.

Thanks for the great info, so it will work as long as its deactivated somehow and you have it in writing... Nice

 

[pjgtech]

Royal Mail Special Delivery allows airguns and you can up the insurnce but you need to stay in their size limits.

Yes, thats true but most guns are above the weight/size limits so cannot use that option.

 

[Bighit]

Yes, thats true but most guns are above the weight/size limits so cannot use that option.

Correct but your post would look to others that you can't use it when you can and also increase the insurance.

Some claim you can only use PF when you can also use RM SD, RM don't make it clear either though .

 

[Matt@Nearfield]

Royal Mail Special Delivery allows airguns and you can up the insurnce but you need to stay in their size limits.
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Email and ask for it In writing to keep yourself right.

I'm completely lost now. I give up. This seems to confirm what I was saying earlier but got shot down for. I'm too stupid for this

I don't think know why I'm that worried anyway. Everyone always seems to wiggle out of claims anyways so what's the point

 

[pjgtech]

Correct but your post would look to others that you can't use it when you can.

It is a bit of a complicated nightmare for those that are unsure, basically two option, send rifle, max insurance £150 or 2nd option, send rifle/pistol (as a smaller parcel within limits) and insurance can then be upped, but a lot of guns, even when dismantled will still be too big, too long, etc.

 

[Matt@Nearfield]

It is a bit of a complicated nightmare for those that are unsure, basically two option, send rifle, max insurance £150 or 2nd option, send rifle/pistol (as a smaller parcel within limits) and insurance can then be upped, but a lot of guns, even when dismantled will still be too big, too long, etc.

Nope. I'm off to chew crayons and pick my nose. I think it's for the best

 

[Bighit]

I'm completely lost now. I give up. This seems to confirm what I was saying earlier but got shot down for. I'm too stupid for this

I don't think know why I'm that worried anyway. Everyone always seems to wiggle out of claims anyways so what's the point

If you follow their terms to the letter then they have less chances to wriggle out .

Go to exclusions .

https://www.royalmail.com/retail-compensation-policy-damage#Exclusions

 

[Thetraindriver01]

Nope. I'm off to chew crayons and pick my nose. I think it's for the best

PMSL Gave me a chuckle anyway

 

[Bighit]

It is a bit of a complicated nightmare for those that are unsure, basically two option, send rifle, max insurance £150 or 2nd option, send rifle/pistol (as a smaller parcel within limits) and insurance can then be upped, but a lot of guns, even when dismantled will still be too big, too long, etc.

You also have the Tube option which may be used. It gives you more length. If you can't fit it all in then send it the rest in seperate packages.

Personal help & support hub | Royal Mail

help.royalmail.com

 

[Thetraindriver01]

You also have the Tube option which may be used. It gives you more length. Is you can't fit it all in then send it the rest in seperate packages.

Personal help & support hub | Royal Mail

help.royalmail.com

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Great info, thanks

 

[steviebabes]

Matt, I think to nutshell this for you -

You can fill your boots and choose plenty of insurance cover if you can get your air weapon into a box no bigger than 61cm

If your air weapon cannot be broken/chopped/folded to under 61cm then it has to go as a 48hr express big parcel, and for that you can only have insurance up to £150.

 

[Matt@Nearfield]

Thanks to everyone in this thread for baring with me.. it's not my thread, but I railroaded it. I know I can be... obtuse, so very grateful for spelling it out .

I have book marked this thread and intend to link it to anyone who asks, when they do, because they will

 

[Lakeside]

You can increase the amount of insurance, but the max payout is still £150 for a rifle, it's in the small print...

They will only pay out and compensation if you have full proof of purchase by a receipt and even then they will not give you the full amount as had a problem a few years back

 

[Flinty]

They will only pay out and compensation if you have full proof of purchase by a receipt and even then they will not give you the full amount as had a problem a few years back

If you are selling on the forum, postage is the seller's responsibility; you will have proof of what you sold the gun for. Just send links to all the relevant pages on the forum. You are correct, as with most insurance, they will only pay for the damage, not necessarily the full price; they will assess the extent of the damage and offer that amount. You can argue with that amount; how far you take that argument is up to you.

 

[junglie2022]

Sorry, you've lost me.

On Royal Mail, you can send an air rifle but it has to be 48hr express and have the senders name and address clearly on it.
If you choose to send a large parcel (upto 150cm) using this service you can choose to increase the insurance band.

Err, are we talking different things if so I'll apologise and go away

Well I sent one the other week by parcel force 24 no problem but it was a shorter parcel than full length as I took the stock off & wrapped it alongside the action.

 

[steviebabes]

Its not a bad business model -
Pay me £X for a chance I'll deliver your item
Pay me £X more and if I steal, lose or damage your parcel I'll give you a bit of compo.

 

[Bighit]

Well I sent one the other week by parcel force 24 no problem but it was a shorter parcel than full length as I took the stock off & wrapped it alongside the action.

All fine until there is an issue and they say you have breached their terms. If they find it and you have breached their terms ,they can dispose of it and you get nothing for it and possibly a fine and costs for their time in disposing of it .

You take the risk but you must also take the loss if it goes that way.

Plus you also give them more evidence that people are not using the services correctly and they MAY try and stop carrying airguns again . They have tried twice already . they may succeed the next time then we will be screwed for sending airguns . It could end up only RFD's will be able to send them via RM/PF and we all know what that means . .

Abuse it and we may lose it .

 

[junglie2022]

All fine until there is an issue and they say you have breached their terms. If they find it and you have breached their terms ,they can dispose of it and you get nothing for it and possibly a fine and costs for their time in disposing of it .

You take the risk but you must also take the loss if it goes that way.

Plus you also give them more evidence that people are not using the services correctly and they MAY try and stop carrying airguns again . They have tried twice already . they may succeed the next time then we will be screwed for sending airguns . It could end up only RFD's will be able to send them via RM/PF and we all know what that means . .

Abuse it and we may lose it .

The guy serving me in the post office recommended it to me he has airguns too & I declared it was in the parcel too. Was only 55p dearer too & got there fine in 24 hrs to the south coast from Durham.