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Dismantling Our NHS

Wheelchair dave said:
It wants reforming,running properly and if a private hospital can do that then let them do it.I have had the same operation done NHS and private as a day patient
The NHS hospital I was held when all I wanted to do is get home.The private hospital I was home four hours from going into the hospital to getting to my house door
The NHS was not designed for today’s needs it was people who had simple needs to help there health let’s say rickets
I think a lot of people think it will become like the US as I said earlier but surely it will come from taxes as it does now just managed better and if we need to pay more then we do to get this ship from sinking,the longer we don’t reform it the harder it will be
This is just one opinion,but I haven’t read about what’s going on I actually have experienced the difference in the NHS over 37 years and it’s night and day the difference,it’s a shadow of what it was it needs restructuring before it’s to late .Just throwing money at it is not fixing the problem
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However anyone wants to summarise the recent government approach to the NHS, "throwing money at it" isn't what's been happening...

www.ft.com

UK health spending over past decade lags behind Europe by £40bn a year

Health Foundation points to scale of NHS cuts, while NAO shows service struggling with inflation and staff shortages
www.ft.com www.ft.com

EDIT: Forgot it's paywalled... another report on same data:

www.health.org.uk

UK spent around a fifth less than European neighbours on health care in last decade

The Health Foundation publishes its analysis comparing UK health spending across Europe.
www.health.org.uk www.health.org.uk
 
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fatmarley said:
I worry for my children. I don't worry about transvestites, Johnny foreigner, or lefty woke PC stuff. I worry about real problems, like the wealth divide increasing, our NHS and all our other services that should never have been privatised by Thatcher the milk snatcher... The only party I have any faith in is the Greens.. I'm not sure I trust Starmer with the NHS, but if it comes down to the usual Labour vs Tory, I'll hold my nose and vote Labour... I'd imagine Richard Tice is rubbing his hands together in the hope of a slice of the NHS pie. There's no way way I'd vote for Reform.
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Totally agree; enough of the two parties, alternating and veering us from left to right. The Tories are stuck with their outmoded view of the world, and Labour with theirs. The world has changed,

Time for a genuine alternative, a third option.

Lib Dems, Greens and PR seem to be components of the way forward.

Germany has done well out of this solution
 
Care homes were privatised and run on profit generation. Councils and public cant afford their fees so not enough care home places, bedblocking is the result so 24hr waiting for a bed in hospitals where there are not enough beds. Agencies attract doctors, midwives and nursing staff so authorities pay their profits derived from extortionate fees. Doctors doing more private work. Immigration running riot so pressure on nhs increases.
No wonder NHS and social care is on its knees.

The good news is we support Indias space program by international aid to them and other corrupt governments. Landlord issue an 80year old with a section 21 notice of eviction leaving her bereft and in tears with no alternative accomodation. Maybe she needs to get in a dinghy in the channel and then she will be picked up and given a 5 star hotel room and instant medical attention.

Init good here. 😖
 
Here's a hypothetical question...

If you dismantled the NHS...
What would happen to all the illegal migrants with no health insurance and all the elderly without the means to pay?
Would all the people with just end up paying for all those without?
I suppose I already know the answer... 😏
 
I live in Wales and what annoy s me the most is there is adverts on the radio telling people the NHS is accessible but the reality it's all bull crap advertising
 
MkII said:
After just retiring from the NHS as an RMN for just over 30 years service I find there are to many managers and managers in charge of managers they need to start cutting out the dead wood.
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I saw this type of crap in the LFB for a while before I retired. If a someone makes a good enough case to have other members of staff with/under them, they can make a case for a larger budget and even more staff because they somehow make two people's jobs into work for many more than that. It's 'empire building' and before long you have a whole department of people doing next to bugger all and fighting like fury to justify their continued employment while the original instigator sits back in a larger office and 'manages' their staff thinking 'they can't shut this office down; look how many people we're employing'.

This kind of garbage bothers me. Can you tell?
 
Argent said:
The cost to the NHS of health tourism is peanuts and it's culture-war nonsense from the grifters who've peddled it non-stop for the last decade or so...

fullfact.org

Health tourism – Full Fact

Fact checks related to the ineligible and foreign nationals using NHS services
fullfact.org fullfact.org
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To be fair I wouldn't call a £300m bill for health tourism (delibarte use) peanuts (in 2013 so probably alot more now) as well as the £1.8bn bill for foreigners using it.

Either way. No government can fix the mess because the slightest notion of changing how the NHS is run is an election loser for any political party.

Needs ripping apart and rebuilding. It's too far into the gutter now. Be that the result of the Tories underfunding or Labours privatisation...the damage is done.
 
fatmarley said:
I worry for my children. I don't worry about transvestites, Johnny foreigner, or lefty woke PC stuff. I worry about real problems, like the wealth divide increasing, our NHS and all our other services that should never have been privatised by Thatcher the milk snatcher... The only party I have any faith in is the Greens.. I'm not sure I trust Starmer with the NHS, but if it comes down to the usual Labour vs Tory, I'll hold my nose and vote Labour... I'd imagine Richard Tice is rubbing his hands together in the hope of a slice of the NHS pie. There's no way way I'd vote for Reform.
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B.liar did more to privatise the NHS than thatcher just remember that if your thinking of voting for sir kid starver...b.liars poundshop clone.
 
Joey said:
To be fair I wouldn't call a £300m bill for health tourism (delibarte use) peanuts (in 2013 so probably alot more now) as well as the £1.8bn bill for foreigners using it.

Either way. No government can fix the mess because the slightest notion of changing how the NHS is run is an election loser for any political party.

Needs ripping apart and rebuilding. It's too far into the gutter now. Be that the result of the Tories underfunding or Labours privatisation...the damage is done.
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It's all relative though, right? - Some comparisons help put it in context - all the tourists who used the NHS in one year amounted to 0.3% of total expenditure, or about 1½ times what one single Tory Lord charged the NHS for defective and unuseable PPE kit...

www.theguardian.com

How the Michelle Mone scandal unfolded: £200m of PPE contracts, denials and a government lawsuit

Conservative peer made multiple denials of any association between her and PPE Medpro
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Argent said:
It's all relative though, right? - Some comparisons help put it in context - all the tourists who used the NHS in one year amounted to 0.3% of total expenditure, or about 1½ times what one single Tory Lord charged the NHS for defective and unuseable PPE kit...

www.theguardian.com

How the Michelle Mone scandal unfolded: £200m of PPE contracts, denials and a government lawsuit

Conservative peer made multiple denials of any association between her and PPE Medpro
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Fact on health tourism, £348 million is not the amount paid by tourists it is only what is charged , my step daughter is a midwife and regularly complains of patients who don't even get charged let alone those that get billed and skip off without paying.
 
Wing Commander said:
It's all part of a Master Plan to save money.
It started several years ago and pensioners are the target of the "cunning plan".
First of all, pensioners (mostly) don't add anything to the Treasury... they only drain it via pensions, etc.
Secondly, they are more likely to need greater hospital care, etc, as they get older. . Not good.

So.... if there is no care available for pensioners, their life expectancy will be reduced.
If they die, they are no longer a burden on the Treasury or the NHS. . . . Win win.

Boris showed his contempt for pensioners a couple of years ago when he didn't increase pensions according to the Triple Lock rules. . . That was just before inflation went into orbit. . Also, he had hoped that Covid would have wiped out the older generation.
And there was nothing in the latest budget for pensioners.

Of course, pensioners who can pay their way are allowed to live. 🥂 . . It's only the tiresome peasants they want to get rid of. . Homer face palm
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I have the had the misfortune of spending a lot of time in Hospitals during my lifetime, November before last 3 months in intensive care and a lot of time spent on Wards full of senior citizens, such was the quality of care given that it bought me to tears on many occasions - even those poor souls that were clearly not going to last long. I have seen Nurses sitting and talking to patients, even combing their hair, while the recipient most likely does not even know where they are, I have witnessed a Nurse return to a Ward after his shift to feed a patient that nobody had the time to do during the day and I have seen staff in tears as someone slips away. Nobody should ever point their finger at those who work "on the shop floor", they deserve far more.
 
jon440 said:
Fact on health tourism, £348 million is not the amount paid by tourists it is only what is charged , my step daughter is a midwife and regularly complains of patients who don't even get charged let alone those that get billed and skip off without paying.
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All that's taken into account in the fact check.

Fact is, the government has put in 20% less than other comparable countries for over a decade, and, for obvious reasons, would rather we all look at this 0.3% instead.
 
Argent said:
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Yup - just like everyone else, I'll wager.

They're so desperate to make us all argue about "transvestites, Johnny foreigner, or lefty woke PC stuff" like you say, that we take our eyes off what they've done to our national services and the last decade of ransacking.

Who's going to fall for their culture wars this time round, I wonder?
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Guaranteed people will fall for it, again, and again. The media that support the Tories are not stupid, and when support for the Tories is beyond help, they'll switch teams (assuming they haven't already?). They will run the Tories down to make it look like they agree with the population. A similar technique they use when they put a picture of poor little johnny that need a heart transplant on their front page, and yet support a government who is killing the NHS. I dread to think of how many British flags have been on the front page of the Sun to make out it's patriotic.
I know I keep repeating it, but everyone should watch The Rise of The Murdoch Dynasty. Rupert Murdoch is a very intelligent sociopath who knows how to manipulate people, and he loves the power. He's pure evil. Unfortunately, a lot of our media is run by this type of person.
 
My six penneth
Years of under funding, hospitals and walk in centres closed. Drs surgeries overwhelmed. Boris’s new hospitals all lies.
All with an increasing and aging population
Too many managers, not enough staff, too reliant on foreign staff from cleaners to medical staff.
The front line staff are short on numbers, under paid and the ones facing the wrath of pee’d off patients.
Too much privatisation within the NHS.
Should folks be forced to pay for treatment they have been paying for years - no. If you had the pain and the means to remove it by paying most of us would.
If you are in pain on a long waiting list and get offered treatment in a private facility would you say “no I’ll wait”? I wouldn’t
Should you have to pay or use private care - NO
 
I'd say wait till the end of the year/ Labour will be in government (I know its not guaranteed, but I cant see anything else happening). The NHS will go even further downhill, more strikes, worse service, and all of us being encouraged to use private medical insurance. The last time they were in they spent all the money, sold off all the gold, and didnt care in the slightest, so I ddont see anything changing this time.

On a personal note, my mum had an car acccident in 2022 that resulted in a broken sternum and broken neck- completley blamemess but that doesnt matter to injuries. She is scared stiff of driving now, and hass suspected PTSD thats just getting worse. She cant get any mental treatment on the NHS as she didnt go to intensive care and the rules say thats a prerequisite to mental care. We are looking at private treatment as thats the only alternativer, and her doctor has pushed for help but its not forthcoming.Is our NHS broken? Yes, very. But it doesnt matter whos in power, its not getting better.
 
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