Did you learn to shoot in the forces?

Do you have a forces background in shooting?

  • No forces experience at all, always a civilian

    Votes: 115 42.4%
  • ACF, ATC, SCC or Marine Cadets only

    Votes: 38 14.0%
  • Cadets and reserve or regular forces

    Votes: 31 11.4%
  • Reserve or regular forces

    Votes: 78 28.8%
  • Police / other formal weapons training

    Votes: 9 3.3%

  • Total voters
    271
I was Log Bn from ‘90 to ‘93 in Aldershot, Endex; last but one P-Coy on Long Valley / Brecons. Did we know each other?

SLR & SA80 at RMAS, then CORPSAAM with SA80 and just missed (hahaha) Bisley100, I came 108 or something in 2001.

Turns Endex and I kinda know each other! Mates of mates.

I ticked ‘regular forces’ but I really got the basics from my father and a webley jaguar which started with iron sights and then moved to a cheap 4x20 scope. I was a properly equipped sniper at 10 years old!
 
Whale island for me.
Freaking horrible place. I spent 3 months there in 1973 doing ceremonial training for Princess Annes wedding to Mark Phillips. Hated it with a passion. 8 hours a day for 3 months on the parade ground. No place for a WAFU.

PS In proper naval fashion, on the morning of the wedding we were drinking til 0500 hours somewhere in Kensington and still pissed whilst street lining 😂
 
During the cold War I served in the Yorkshire TA for five years, C company the Duke of Wellingtons Halifax.

SLR, gpmg, smg, Carl Gustav anti tank, two inch mortar, granades ect.

Our primary role was Qrf for the Folder gap, so helicopter insertion and a two and a half minute life expectancy!
I took every course I could and learned a great deal until the end of of the cold War when we were turned into civil defence.
 
I dont want to upset anyone here but as a member of a centrefire club we've had a few ex forces people turn up for guest days, some even become members.
The thing is I've never seen such bad shooting and it really surprises me, obviously I can't judge them all by the ones I've seen but it makes me ask how much shooting do you actually get in the armed forces?
 
Working in an RFD I’ve met every single member of the SAS twice over and more ex army snipers than I care to remember . It’s amazing how many of them don’t know how to mount and zero a scope or clear a barrel jam that they’ve caused .

“I’m used to real guns” is the usual reply .

🤔
 
This brought back memories. Several years ago I helped run a 'have a go at HFT booth at a large Game Fair. We had experienced HFT shooters on hand to help, give instruction etc. A youngish (to me) chap came along to have a go, 'Have you shot air rifle before?' 'Nah but nothing to worry about, I'm ex army top shot you know'. 'You may find this a bit different, can we help?' 'Nah ... no bother I will be OK'. !0 knock down targets ranging from 15 to 45 yards with .177 PCP. He missed the lot, getting visibly bothered as each one stayed up with some not plating.' Hmm, the sights are off mate' was the comment as he finished. Next person on the range did very well after a few words of advice on trajectory etc. Such is life.

Cheers, Phil
 
Despite my father's warnings never to volunteer for anything.

When the shout went out 'who wants to go to the range' my hand went up as I loved my shooting.

But instead of being handed an slr, I was handed a spade, along with the rest of us idiots and told I was cleaning the butts Homer face palm :ROFLMAO:
One Saturday during basic training the ricochets on the 25m range were becoming a bit too risky so, half our squad was 'volunteered' to riddle the sand. A long, long day - the results were a scrap dealer's dream.
 
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I dont want to upset anyone here but as a member of a centrefire club we've had a few ex forces people turn up for guest days, some even become members.
The thing is I've never seen such bad shooting and it really surprises me, obviously I can't judge them all by the ones I've seen but it makes me ask how much shooting do you actually get in the armed forces?
I don't speak for everyone with armed forces training.
I received a great deal of firearms training and shot a great deal, although I have always been interested in guns so volunteered and engaged as much as possible. The Duke of Wellingtons taught me to shoot and I regularly ran active target shoots, range work and Fibua ect.
We were tested all the time and had an annual bft in order to get our bounty. This involved a yomp assault course ending in a shoot.

In short everything I know about shooting came from these experiences, I've found that a lot of these are transferable to the airguns I now shoot.
 
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As a kid, I had a fascination with all things that can launch a projectile with sufficient energy to hit a target, if pointed in the right direction. Airguns, catapults, crossbows, marbles launched from copper pipes using a banger as propellant other such bizarre homemade contraptions all fed my interest. Left home at 17 and dalked into an Army careers office in 1981 the day after my 18th birthday without a clue ... about anything. My vague thoughts where that I wanted to either join the infantry or RMP. Went to Sutton Coldfield that Christmas (proper snow) and was found to be 'interesting'.

To cut a long story short, I found myself in basic training having all previous liking and expectations about learning to shoot knocked out of me on the ranges by JNCOs who thought marksmanship coaching was best achieved with beatings and pissing on the recruits heads. Following Phase 3 training and on my first posting I was lucky to find myself in a unit where the training wing staff - and one brilliant sergeant in particular - kindled in me a desire to learn how to shoot well. Back then, I'd been trained on SLR, SMG, LMG, 9mm pistol, and BIC Biro (in the right hands, they're deadly) with SMG as personal weapon. As an aside, the SA80 was being trialled by the Duke of Edinburgh's Royal Regiment out on the Akamas ranges - they loathed it as it kept falling apart.

As I went on and my confidence increased I used to enjoy all types of shooting competition and eventually joined the local team for minor units. By that time, the SA80 was my personal weapon. By then it had been improved and with iron sights (we didn't merit SUSAT), I found it a reliable, accurate weapon. The dust cover was still a sod, though.

After leaving regular service, I spent some time in the TA and carried on shooting as and when I could and then after leaving the TA, did nothing for many years. In the end my work led me to have some outside involvement with forces shooting and an many occasions I found myself sat down with SASC personnel or out at Brecon. In the end I decided it was time to get back to it and managed to lay my hands on a HW100s in 2015 and haven't looked back since. I've still got the HW - plus others - and consider myself extremely fortunate to not only be able to shoot at ranges but also out on permissions where I love wandering around in the countryside, taking in all that nature has to offer and stalking quarry which often ends up in the freezer.

I'll never be able to thank that SNCO enough for what he did to compensate for the shit standard of training I received in basic which nearly put an end to an interest that always seemed to be there. He also kindled in me a love of sub-aqua diving which lasted decades and added another dimension to life. Unfortunately, he met an untimely end which was a real shame, he was one of the good guys.
 
Reading through these dits has reminded me of my first experiences of shooting with 'civies' whilst still being in the marines. I had joined a local range close to 'home' with the then girlfriend (now wife). At this point I was shooting HFT or just starting to but this club was paper punching indoors with a flat 50m ex military type range outside. As part of a competition day designed to let everyone experience the various disciplines on offer at the club I was running some HFT knock down targets outside as a bit of a look see and one of the 'fun' shoots in the indoor range was a turkey shoot. This literally consisted of having 10rds with a .22LR to shoot the string a frozen turkey was hanging on. Towards the end of the day I was asked if I'd had a go yet to which I said no. I was then goaded to go and have a go. The gentleman manning the stance hadnt met me before but had heard about this marine in the club now. He handed me the rifle and said I assume you know what you're doing? I said I've not shot anything like this since I was a teenager so go on give me the brief. After a very quick tour of the rifle and how to load and make ready I took charge of it and did the drills. Standing and bringing the rifle to my shoulder I said "so I just have to shoot the string?" to which he said yes and you have 10 chances. Well you know what happened next, with a large crowd now viewing through the gallery window and a few at the firing point, I took aim and shot the string and the turkey fell. I then carried out the unload and handed the rifle back to the instructor. "That's alright that" I said and thanked him before walking back to my stance. Needless to say the civies thought that was amazing and someone commented on not wanting to be ever in combat against royal marines if they shoot like that. Anyway, I'm not going to say it was luck but everything aligned nicely. Anyway, the next year they did the same thing and again I was invited to have another go. This time there was much muttering about what I did the year before. Anyway, I did again :) I don't recall we did it again after that, or I missed them.
Anyway, with it not being a town associated with the Marines and me being the only one anyone knew there I felt I kept up the good reputation of the Marines.
 
I learned to shoot with air rifles and pistols as a kid. Had to go to grans as mum didn't let us have air rifles. Joined the ATC at 12 years old and then it was .22 rimfire and .303 Joined the RAF as a armoured and it was 7.62 SLR 9mm pistol and Sterling SMG. Occasionally GPMG.
 
Ex forces. Fired loads of different stuff over the years, never a crack shot but able to hit the target, taught in a very regimented way, and like many with plenty of kickings along the way. Unlike most the SA80 for me was a half decent weapon, and when used with SUSAT it improved me again. Lots of different comments about ex forces and belief didn't need to be shown, no different from when I was in, depending on rank and in some ways regiment, people thought they new better. Had an officer fall from the sky (luckily only about 150m) coz he wouldn't listen when offering trg on square parachute control, had his 'wings' and thought he knew better, survived but never seen him again. Nothing wrong with taking up an offer to possibly learn from others.
 
Ex forces. Fired loads of different stuff over the years, never a crack shot but able to hit the target, taught in a very regimented way, and like many with plenty of kickings along the way. Unlike most the SA80 for me was a half decent weapon, and when used with SUSAT it improved me again. Lots of different comments about ex forces and belief didn't need to be shown, no different from when I was in, depending on rank and in some ways regiment, people thought they new better. Had an officer fall from the sky (luckily only about 150m) coz he wouldn't listen when offering trg on square parachute control, had his 'wings' and thought he knew better, survived but never seen him again. Nothing wrong with taking up an offer to possibly learn from others.
Wasn't Bear Grylls by any chance was it :)
 
that I wanted to either join the infantry or RMP. Went to Sutton Coldfield that Christmas (proper snow) and was found to be 'interesting'.
Now here is a "thing", I was a LCpl at Sutton Coldfield from Sep 81 to Jun 83 so would have been there when you went through! 😁

I was the admin for the Mass Xray "team" (both of us! Lol)
 
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