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JonnieP
Member Extraordinaire
Mr Speedy Bean…
An awful lot of sense in that article. EV’e not quite as clean as they are being marketed as. I like the ideas around Hydrogen and Synthetic files. I know it’s only one article but it looks like we have been railroaded towards E.V’s more for someone else’s profit rather than then need to provide cleaner motoring.
An awful lot of sense in that article. EV’e not quite as clean as they are being marketed as. I like the ideas around Hydrogen and Synthetic files. I know it’s only one article but it looks like we have been railroaded towards E.V’s more for someone else’s profit rather than then need to provide cleaner motoring.
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chouchin66
Top Tier member
Shocking truths about EVs...battery materials mined in countries with no , or less environmental standards, batteries , once spent become haz - mat, infrastructure needed to provide leccy, needs power for generation provided by fossil fuel, as wind & solar won' t cut the mustard...all in all, a load of B.S. ... Not rocket science really, to convince " Green" idiots into lining pockets of EV producers though.
JonnieP
Member Extraordinaire
I knew the stuff about battery production, but the other fuels options was a bit of an eye opener.
Jaisalmere
Super member
I saw. Top Gear program about 10 years ago, James May was driving a Hydrogen powered Honda in LA, it looked like a normal car,it traveled around the same amount of miles on a tank full of hydrogen (that he got from a Shell filling station) as a Honda does on fossil fuel, it drove like a Honda!
I thought then, this is the green car I want?
chouchin66
Top Tier member
Here's another point which I've as yet seen adressed...road maintenance...
Electric cars are heavy beasts & as such, much like lorrys, will exact a high toll on tarmack paved roadways, thus, roads will require more maintenance - resurfacing & pothole mitigation. The greater need for maintaing roads requires more asphaltic concrete paving(ACP) = more fossil fuel product, both in it's content & use of power generated by fossil fuels in it's production...again, not rocket science really.
Electric cars are heavy beasts & as such, much like lorrys, will exact a high toll on tarmack paved roadways, thus, roads will require more maintenance - resurfacing & pothole mitigation. The greater need for maintaing roads requires more asphaltic concrete paving(ACP) = more fossil fuel product, both in it's content & use of power generated by fossil fuels in it's production...again, not rocket science really.
brother caleb
Super member
I have an A3 Etron Plug in Hybrid, it is shite! Electric range no more that 15 Miles on a winters day and on a country road it is a wallowing piece of horribleness due to the weight of the batteries.
The Upside is I can go to London and not get charged, not much of an upside as I don't want to go to London.
After encouraging everyone to go to Diesel and then changing their minds this current EV obsession will fair no better.
I am happy to support environmental causes as we have to be stopped from wrecking the world, but this is not the direction.
The Upside is I can go to London and not get charged, not much of an upside as I don't want to go to London.
After encouraging everyone to go to Diesel and then changing their minds this current EV obsession will fair no better.
I am happy to support environmental causes as we have to be stopped from wrecking the world, but this is not the direction.
Wing Commander
Member Extraordinaire
Just like politicians, the motor industry will never admit to making any mistakes. But the cynic within me says the motor industry will curiously "discover" hydrogen when - and only when - the vast majority of people has bought into electric vehicles.
Re: being "green": My Euro-6 spec, diesel car does over 65mpg on a run and is exempt from ULEV charges.
For convenience, it takes two minutes to "recharge" at a readily available fuel pump, and will then have 700 miles range.
Re: being "green": My Euro-6 spec, diesel car does over 65mpg on a run and is exempt from ULEV charges.
For convenience, it takes two minutes to "recharge" at a readily available fuel pump, and will then have 700 miles range.
Stockscrew
Super member
Hydrogen as a vehicle fuel was developed many years ago. The University of Birmingham had a motorcycle running on it over 10 years ago and to this day they have a Grounds and Gardens van fueled with Hydrogen in service
Enough2BDangerous
Super member
Absolutely! They have a grand plan for the future of cars and it will likely involve hydrogen (or some sort of fuel cell that can generate electricity) but why sell us the last car we'll ever need when they can sell us EVs first and make a few more $trillion along the way. I get the impression that hydrogen cars will be a bit like the Peter Sellers film "The Man in the White Suit". They could potentially solve all of our transport issues but that wouldn't be good for business.
Jester
Super member
Here's another point which I've as yet seen adressed...road maintenance...
Electric cars are heavy beasts & as such, much like lorrys, will exact a high toll on tarmack paved roadways, thus, roads will require more maintenance - resurfacing & pothole mitigation. The greater need for maintaing roads requires more asphaltic concrete paving(ACP) = more fossil fuel product, both in it's content & use of power generated by fossil fuels in it's production...again, not rocket science really.
I read an article recently on this very subject, the rough estimate is double the wear compared to non-EV equivalent vehicles.
Plenty of multi-story car parks over here are starting to ban them as engineers are concerned the structures can't take the extra weight above a certain % of overall cars.
The factors so far mentioned ignore doomsday, which happens several times yearly. With little wind and no sun in winter, the grid is already highly stressed. Charging a million cars using fossil power stations that have been closed for years is difficult. And France is closing its well used Nuclear stations and has little surplus to export. I see trouble ahead.
Aston_Shooter
Member Extraordinaire
Toyota have a car available to buy and have had for a while. The only issue is where to fill it up.
chouchin66
Top Tier member
Downside of hydrogen...it takes 39kwh of leccy to make 1 kg of hydrogen....lotta fekkin fossil fuel used there eh?
Which is only greenish with a lot of wind
chouchin66
Top Tier member
We could gaffer tape politicians to the turbine towers...endless supply, but we'd have to feed ' em too....
I can get unlimited mileage out of my Adidas. I don't drive anything else.
EV's are in their infancy. The R&D costs alone will be eyewatering. The company then pushes that cost onto the early adopters. Look at Tesla. They are playing a long game. 15 years from now we'll wonder why the hoo-ha. Change is painful. But then so are tsunami's, wildfires, drought and famine. Pick your path wisely.
EV's are in their infancy. The R&D costs alone will be eyewatering. The company then pushes that cost onto the early adopters. Look at Tesla. They are playing a long game. 15 years from now we'll wonder why the hoo-ha. Change is painful. But then so are tsunami's, wildfires, drought and famine. Pick your path wisely.
chouchin66
Top Tier member
In that vein, what happens to all plant life starved of C02, due to use of battery powered vehicles...oh , right, it'll die back...there goes all Earth's oxygen production - now what ?