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Willbert

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Looking online, one website I looked at says it’s now more expensive per mile to run a Diesel than a Petrol car. In my area Diesel costs about 20p more a litre than Petrol but some folks have posted pictures of pump prices nearer to 30p more! 😮 Didn’t Diesel used to be a bit cheaper than Petrol, what happened?
 
A quick search came up with this:
Diesel now takes more refinement than it used to, due to particulate requirements.
Oil from a lot of fields is light, better suited to petrol than diesel.

I'm not sure what it currently is around here, but I did see 191.9p per litre Wednesday.

I was half considering getting a 125 scooter, 100mpg, petrol, for perm visits.
 
dirty diesel was said to bad,( so more expensive) but then they changed there mind and petrol was worse
thats my thoughts on it
 
Just another money making scam. I remember about 20 years ago the government urged everyone to get a diesel car as they were cheaper to run & better for the environment. Once loads of people got a diesel car they decided to put the price up to more than petrol, making more in fuel duty. Then they urged people to go electric for tax free motoring, then decided that road tax (or whatever they call it these days) would still be needed to be paid.
Anyone spot a trend here.
 
making more in fuel duty

I did think the same, but excise duty is the same on petrol and diesel, per litre.
The vast majority of diesel is used on transport, trucks, busses, so if it were more that would be seen as a direct impact on the the cost of living.

Diesel does come from imported stocks (from a search) so while I am cynical as the worst of them, I do sort of understand how the difference could increase while imports are impacted by conflict.
The "you will own nothing" thing has be managed somehow.
 
The UK is self sufficient in petrol & even exports it says Mrs Google
This. According to a Channel 4 news piece I watched recently, we produce / refine an excess of petrol in-house while we run a deficit of diesel so have to import it; with all the associated issues this brings.


I continue to cling to cars at the end of their working life; avoiding the ridiculous depreciation, running costs and fallout of fickle legislative decisions.. while I've made efforts to minimise car use and only use about half a tank of fuel a month so am less exposed to fluctuating fuel prices than many.

Given all that's gone on there's a lot to be said for running an old naturally-aspirated petrol beater, as many of the directions the industry has been pushed have turned out to be enormously costly and self-defeating:-

The heavy incentivisation of Diesels on efficiency grounds only for them to be later vilified for their particulate emissions and obfuscatory testing practices; the emissions-led shift towards highly-stressed, small displacement forced-induction petrol engines that last ten minutes before grenading themselves, utterly ridiculous and pointless changes in the name of cost-saving that destroy reliability and longevity such as the use of "wet belts" and dry dual-clutch gearboxes, EVs that depreciate to a quarter of their original cost within three years or become uninsurable due to battery degradation or startospheric cost of repair..

The general trend apparently being that first adaptors / those who believe government / industry ******** increasingly become curators of worthless vehicles and subject to enormous financial losses.

As usual, if you have any sense you'll opt out of the prevailing establishment narrative and make up your own mind.
 
France can refine petrol but has to import diesel ready to use. They said it was something to do with the crude oil type? Consequently diesel prices have increased far more than petrol because we have stock of petrol but have to p[ay the going market diesel rate. Might be that situation in England or might just be an excuse to raise more taxes or get diesels off the roads?
 
Most expensive at the time of reading



Petrol
Skerries Co-Operative Society £210.0p

Diesel
Steisean Connaidh Chrosabol 230.4p
 
Yep, buy petrol (UK produces plenty) naturally aspirated cars 18 months old or so and avoid depreciation. Then try to keep them for at least 20 years

So far latest car £12,000 cash, purchase price works out to just £17 per week over 13 years so far.

Over 20 years purchase price works out at only £12 per week. Makes sense to me.

Not a spot of rust, just an yearly oil change, a service and a couple of sets of tyres all-round and no major expense yet. Probably as it's the last model before move to India production.

Probably be the last car I'll ever buy.

Diesel engines are for long distance road use, not short commutes or popping into town a couple of times a week, imo.
 
Just another money making scam. I remember about 20 years ago the government urged everyone to get a diesel car as they were cheaper to run & better for the environment. Once loads of people got a diesel car they decided to put the price up to more than petrol, making more in fuel duty. Then they urged people to go electric for tax free motoring, then decided that road tax (or whatever they call it these days) would still be needed to be paid.
Anyone spot a trend here.
And LPG is cleaner than both but that has rocketed as well.
Its a racket!
 
I got rid of the diesel a few months ago and changed to petrol hybrid (Hyundai Kona).

So glad I did with all this kicking off soon after.

The hybrid averages 65mpg, which is actually better than the diesel was. Really impressed with it 👍
 
Diesel has more energy per litre than petrol, which is why diesels do more MPG. But the cost difference and more efficient petrol engines mean petrol is now cheaper. Though not as cheap as electric charged at home. Here are the costs per mile for my PHEV:

Cost per mile
Home charge off-peak £ 0.02
Home charge peak £ 0.06
Petrol £ 0.13
Public charge £ 0.20
 
When I used to do 90 miles a day, I did a lot of miles in a diesel, usually something from the VAG group, but by the time you factor in clutch/DMF costs, timing belt/water pump and the increased risk of car issues with more modern diesels, it became less and less attractive.

So if it’s pure economy that you want, it’s generally going to be naturally aspirated, chain driven and compact. For me that was a Yaris, the 1ltr was less awful than you would imagine, the 1.2 slightly less frugal, but a little less boring, the 1.4D was the exception, it’s reliable and frugal with a turbo, a Fabia SDI or MPi would be OK, but VAG just aren’t a reliable manufacturer and haven’t been for many years.

In my earlier and later IDGAF years, it was a 2ltr diesel RAV, what it costs me in increased fuel consumption, it makes up for in lower repair/running costs and being a nicer place to be. A current gen Yaris hybrid is also a personal favourite, and that means the Mazda 2 as well (same car), a Puris can be had for not a lot, but most will have been flogged to death as private hire or similar.

If I wanted to do big miles today, it would be one of the Tesla’s with free charging, it’d pay for itself.
 
The last I saw new Diesel car sales were down to about 4% from 55% a decade ago. I can’t help thinking this disparity in fuel costs might be the final nail in the coffin?
 
EVs that depreciate to a quarter of their original cost within three years or become uninsurable due to battery degradation or startospheric cost of repair..

That seems a strange thing to say, can you elaborate.


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