BSA Scorpion Pistol V HW45 – Thoughts

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Perhaps I am revisiting my childhood, those halcyon days when several friends had Webley Junior air pistols that I eagerly shot. In those days the Auto Mag pistol stole the show in the USA and here we had the BSA Scorpion, of similar futuristic design. When the time came to buy my own pistols I was old enough for an FAC and my first pistol was a 22 R/F Astra Constable, it wasn’t until a hand injury and the need for physiotherapy that I brought my first air pistol a Gamo Compact that practise really helped my recovery and improved my shooting, it has now been traded for a FAS 6004.

While I have some CO2pistols, I don’t find them satisfying to use. The recent purchase of a Webley Senior takes me back to my youth and while the trigger pull is very heavy, it’s a lovely pistol to handle and shoot. The design was patented 1924 by Johnstone and Fearn and still used today on the Weihrauch HW45, it is perhaps the best design for a compact spring powered air pistol?

The itch for BSA Scorpion Pistol remained; I purchased a MK1 in 22” at auction and eagerly shot it. "H&N FTT seemed the best pellet at 367 fps producing 4.08 ft/lb other pellets were as low as 3.24 ft/lb, and on many occasions it didn’t fire and needed re-cocking, did it need a service? Stripping it revealed the trigger housing which is attached to the air cylinder by 4 screws, the threaded screw holes had never been deburred and were sharp to the touch. The trigger mechanism is similar to the BSA Martini Mark IV (ISU) that I owned, with a main sear knocked out of engagement by an intermediate sear, while the Martini was nicely made, the scorpion trigger parts are of stamped out of steel sheet with a pressed protrusion used to knock the sear out of engagement. The original piston was virtually unmovable in the air cylinder which is poorly finished and the buffer was in pieces, the replacement piston didn’t fit and needed turning down before it slid smoothly in the air cylinder. Shorter pins were used temporarily to align the trigger components before inserting the assembled units into the frame, this made trigger assembly a lot easier.

How did it perform. The trigger is single stage and breaks with barely notifiable creep at 1x kg, the weight of pull is easily adjusted with an Allen screw and it no longer misfires. Muzzle velocity is now 404 with a range of 17.7fps producing energy of 5.6 ft/lb, consistency with all pellets is improved and the firing cycle is a lot smoother.

In comparison my HW45 is factory fresh imported by Hull Cartridge, the quality of manufacture is far higher, while it gets good reviews its acquisition tickled my desire for the scorpion, how do they compare:

Safety: The HW45 disappoints, using a Colt 1911 type frame it really should have the Colt type thumb safety, in comparison the scorpion is easier to use but not ambidextrous.

Trigger: The HW45 has a 2 stage trigger the scorpion only a single stage – personal preference as to which is preferred, they both have a crisp let off and are adjustable for weight, although I suspect the HW45trigger will last a lot longer.

Grip: Ergonomically it may be but the scorpion grip is bulbous and too big for my hands, in comparison the HW 45 grip is very comfortable.

Sight height: Both pistols locate the sight at a similar height to the web of the hand, the Webley Senior in comparison lacks the 1911 style but sits nicely in the hand, abit at a lower power level than the Scorpion/HW45.

Sight location: The HW45 rear sight is above the web of the hand and moves on the same arc as the front sight, in comparison the scorpion rear sight is behind the web of the hand and moves in the opposite way to the front sight magnifying any wobble!

Sights: The HW45 has Patridge Sights with Fibre Optics they are far easier to use than the Express type sight on the scorpion.

Cocking: The scorpion aid makes cocking easier although I hold the front sight to stop it sliding off in use. The HW 45 styling allows the pivot point to be placed forward of the cylinder, this makes the cocking stroke a lot shorter and easier and is an improvement on the Webley design.

Firing cycle: It’s perhaps heretical to shoot an unmodified HW45, all I can say is that the recoil is back towards the hand it’s a pleasant gun to shoot, perhaps one day I will have to try a tuned example? The scorpion recoils forward wanting to escape from the hand, it’s a real handful to shoot and doesn’t respond to a gentle grip.

While it is unfair to compare a new air pistol with one perhaps 40 years old for performance, the designs will have remained constant and thus comparable. The scorpion was actively marketed in its era and perhaps then had little competition? The quality of manufacture is a lot below comparable BSA firearms that were far more expensive. If the scorpion entered the market today I doubt it would dent HW45 sales. However an improved HW 45 would be welcome, with a 1911 type safety and lowering the height of the upper frame, the HW45 is undoubtedly the better design, and a nicer pistol to own and shoot. The Scorpion still has the looks, but alas is a far less pleasant pistol to handle and use, would I be as disappointed with an Auto Mag?
 
Nice little write up. Have always thought the Scorpion overated. German engineering wins again.
 
Interesting comparison between the 45 and the Scorpion, I have owned both over several years. Now down to 3 HW45's so for me the reliability, quality and consistency clearly point to just one favourite .... :)
 
find both on the large side,the scorpion without a cocking aid is a real bullworker of a thing. the HW 45 still overly large again a bit easier to cock better than the zorki webley whatever, must be me too feeble to cock a man's pistol :LOL: but would prefer the HW45.
 
The scorpion was very much of its times and now seems very dated, I have both but the scorpion has not been out of its box for about 5years.
 
I have both BSA Scorpion and 2 x HW45's in 177 & 22 flavour. The BSA scorpion is a hand full but when fettled can be a fantastic pistol every bit as accurate as my HW45's.
The Scorpion is a .22 cal and is running at 5.6 ftlbs with a WW kit fitted. RWS superdomes are its choice of lead, No recoil and easy to cock with the barrel extender fitted.
I have also fitted my kits into the HW45's and both are superbly accurate, the 177 I have dropped a bit to 5.00 ft lbs and the .22 running the same as the BSA 5.4-5.6 depending on the ammo used, I find they do have a preference for JSB express & RS in both 177 & 22.
I have found the HW out of the box to be a bit jumpy but as soon as it was stripped and fettled it was a different pistol to shoot, I actually prefer the HW in 177 caliber.

BSA & HW both superb bits of kit and worth having in any collection.

WW (y) (y)
 
I have 3 or more in spares,
One part thats unavailable is the hammer ! If anyone has a broken one
I would like, Or more PLs, will pay !

I have an idea for repair ? i

A couple of 2240 barrels with 1/2 inch unf silencers fitted !
& Random pistol parts,
 

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Which bit is the hammer? What happens when that fails/breaks?

I have parts from one that I had in the 80's and it would not cock, gunshop could not
fix it and handed me a bag of bits. Many parts have probably been lost but I do remember
having the complete trigger mechanism.

Well I think it was complete but if the symptom of that failing is not being able to cock then
mine probably failed.

Started scouting old tool boxes where I used to chuck all the bits left over from fixing cars
to see if any gun bits remain so I may find some treasures.
 
Which bit is the hammer? What happens when that fails/breaks?

I have parts from one that I had in the 80's and it would not cock, gunshop could not
fix it and handed me a bag of bits. Many parts have probably been lost but I do remember
having the complete trigger mechanism.

Well I think it was complete but if the symptom of that failing is not being able to cock then
mine probably failed.

Started scouting old tool boxes where I used to chuck all the bits left over from fixing cars
to see if any gun bits remain so I may find some treasures.
Have a look on @ Chambers @
Its not a hammer at all, If its broken ( In 2 parts ) It will not cock ?
I have made them before BUT its a real pain !
Cheers mate,
 
Could not find the item by name on the chambers site but found it on airgunspares.

Funny shaped object with a hole, pin and a finger sticking out. I will have a rummage
through the boxes and see what's left.

Cannot remember why I had a 2nd chamber and barrel or where they came from?
So may have 2 trigger units?
 
I have just finished rebuilding my 2nd scorpian 22, new stainless piston head from Mr Robb, new spring seals and buffer all parts pollished up I also made a piston liner the gun is now very nice to shoot I fitted a red dot sight but have now ordered a pistol scope as the old eye's are not what they used to be I also fitted a long moderator this is my new cocking aid and works a treat.
 

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The BSA Scorpion is basically just a slightly scaled down Meteor action with a shorter barrel.
It flew off the shelves as soon as it hit them because the pre-release advertising blurb mentioned the magical words "Just under the 6 fpe legal limit".
It weighs a ton, torques like hell (never used one that's been fitted with a kit) and is generally not easy to shoot accurately and consistently because of the above.
I owned both the Scorpion & Premier at the same time, and the latter was a better pistol in all regards.
 
i have been reading alone and most is interesting
i think the main thing is the two guns are not close to being the same other being spring powered
i have a Beeman P1 and a HW45 and a .177 Scorpion
the Scorpion was bought as a working gun, it was not it had a broken safety spring so i ordered up some parts and it sat in a box for 2 or 3 years
when i did decide to take it off my list of fix the damn gun list i found the piston seal was no good so a complete rebuild and a few extras and wow it was all that i had read about and the trigger was excellent
i like break barrel pistols and i own way too many
they are easy to load for one reason but they are large pistol but i am a large man
so i still don't believe the two pistols are easy to compare against each other
but i do believe they are 2 pistols that need to be owned as a shooter and or collector of pistols
the reason here in the states that the Scorpion and HW45 always seemed to get mentioned in the same threads was there power

mike in the states
 
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