BB, pellet or both?

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Apologies if this has been covered but a search didn't find anything.
I'm thinking of dipping my toe into the world of CO2 replicas after trying one at the range. I liked the quick fire experience. Is there an advantage in getting BB over pellet or is it best to keep your options open and get a gun that fires both? I'd like some reasonable accuracy. I like the look of Berettas and Glocks so any pointers from you guys in the know?
 
From my experience the pellet versions are more accurate and the BB's are quicker to fire and if you are on a proper range then it's an either or choice.
As I shoot pistols more in the garden it's all pellet, I won't risk a BB coming back and damaging something or someone but that's just me.
Whichever you choose it's a lot of fun!!
Happy shopping....
 
I prefer pellets for accuracy and fewer ricochets but it does then limit your choice of pistol if you also want a blowback slide.
 
Whilst BBs are usually a tiny bit cheaper than pellets to buy, it's not a big difference so it's not something which would really be a mjor factor in your choice, but it is nevertheless a small bonus aside from all the other perhaps more important considerations.

When it comes to the realism of replica semi-automatic firearms however, BB-firing ones do offer some clear advantages over pellet firing ones. A big one is the magazine feed mechanism. The vast majority of pellet-firing semi-auto replicas use some kind of rotary magazine to hold the pellets since a pellet has to have a specific orientation, this mechanism technically makes them revolvers under the skin. Conversely, BB-firing semi-auto replicas most often use a spring-fed stick magazine of some kind, since this is a simple yet effective means to feed spherical ammunition which obviously does not need to have a specific orientation when in the clip or the breech.

This loading difference might not seem that important, however, if you are doing tactical shooting and using tactical reloads with a CO2 semi-auto replica, either for fun, or as an inexpensive and slightly safer means of practicing for when you use the real thing, then that difference in magazine operation is relevant since it is more akin to the real firearm. With replicas, the more realistic the functionality, the more enjoyable they tend to be since that replication is kind of the point, likewise the replication of slide blowback. More realistic replication gives a more visceral experience akin to the real firearm, which is kind of the point with a functioning replica.

Aside from the fact that this is more true to how a semi-automatic firearm operates, making these replicas a bit more like the thing they are replicating, it also means the round capacity of BB spring fed stick magazines is much closer to the capacity of the real firearm. For example, the Umarex BB-firing Glock 17 has a magazine capacity of 18, and this perfectly replicates the firearm Glock 17's magazine capacity of 17 (which is where it gets its name from), with an additional one in the breech ready to go (not always, but a common procedure), for a total of eighteen. You can then load spare mags with 17 rather than eighteen BBs, and operation will be exactly as per the real thing in terms of shot capacity and reloading.

By comparison, the pellet-firing versions of the Umarex Glock 17, and the version which can fire both pellets and BBs too, use small rotary eight-shot magazines. Of these, whilst the main ejectable magazine is comparable in size to the real Glock's magazine because it is designed to conveniently store three additional spare rotary mags clipped into it whilst also holding a fourth one which is the actual operating mag, this means it is only an eight-shot pistol before you have to eject the main magazine then swap over the rotary mags within. One of these rotary mags which comes with the dual ammo capable version is designed to hold BBs in case you were curious about how that dul capability actually functions, but with either BBs or pellets, it's only ever an eight shot pistol between reloads.

But all this stuff is about replication rather than accuracy. So...

Both the dual ammo capable and pellet only capable versions of, for example, the Umarex Glock 17 have rifled barrels, and this means they will be a bit more accurate with pellets. However, it's probably fair to say that at the ranges one would typically use a semi-automatic pistol (either real or one of those Umarex replicas), the difference in accuracy is likely to be fairly minimal, because if you want perfect accuracy, these are not the kind of pistols you'd choose, so really, BBs are more than accurate enough for the kind of shooting you'll be doing with these things.

But - and this one is really important - whilst you can sometimes get ricochets from lead pellets, you do tend to get them a lot more from BBs. I'm sure you know that's because lead pellets compress on impact and that spills a lot of their energy, whereas steel BBs don't compress very much at all upon impact and that makes them more prone to bouncing off whatever they hit. It also means that BBs tend to penetrate hard targets more than pellets do; a good example being glass bottles: Shoot a glass bottle with a lead pellet and you'll more than likely smash the bottle, but shoot it with a steel BB and it will probably put a couple of holes through the thing.

This means two things in terms of safety, one, always wear shooting glasses when shooting BBs (you should do this when shooting anything to be honest), and always use targets which are designed to trap and collect spent rounds and use a big backstop behind these targets which does that too, because if literally any pellet or BB ricochets and leaves the boundaries of your property, aside from that being at best annoying and at worst dangerous, it is also illegal. Not a big deal if you are at a range, but certainly something to consider if you will be plinking cans in your back yard.

So personally, if you want a replica semi-automatic CO2 air pistol - and you should if you like shooting and are interested in weapons, because they are great fun - I'd say BB was the way to go simply because they tend to have a magazine shot capacity closer to the real thing and their magazine mechanism is more akin to the real thing too.
 
Whilst BBs are usually a tiny bit cheaper than pellets to buy, it's not a big difference so it's not something which would really be a mjor factor in your choice, but it is nevertheless a small bonus aside from all the other perhaps more important considerations.

When it comes to the realism of replica semi-automatic firearms however, BB-firing ones do offer some clear advantages over pellet firing ones. A big one is the magazine feed mechanism. The vast majority of pellet-firing semi-auto replicas use some kind of rotary magazine to hold the pellets since a pellet has to have a specific orientation, this mechanism technically makes them revolvers under the skin. Conversely, BB-firing semi-auto replicas most often use a spring-fed stick magazine of some kind, since this is a simple yet effective means to feed spherical ammunition which obviously does not need to have a specific orientation when in the clip or the breech.

This loading difference might not seem that important, however, if you are doing tactical shooting and using tactical reloads with a CO2 semi-auto replica, either for fun, or as an inexpensive and slightly safer means of practicing for when you use the real thing, then that difference in magazine operation is relevant since it is more akin to the real firearm. With replicas, the more realistic the functionality, the more enjoyable they tend to be since that replication is kind of the point, likewise the replication of slide blowback. More realistic replication gives a more visceral experience akin to the real firearm, which is kind of the point with a functioning replica.

Aside from the fact that this is more true to how a semi-automatic firearm operates, making these replicas a bit more like the thing they are replicating, it also means the round capacity of BB spring fed stick magazines is much closer to the capacity of the real firearm. For example, the Umarex BB-firing Glock 17 has a magazine capacity of 18, and this perfectly replicates the firearm Glock 17's magazine capacity of 17 (which is where it gets its name from), with an additional one in the breech ready to go (not always, but a common procedure), for a total of eighteen. You can then load spare mags with 17 rather than eighteen BBs, and operation will be exactly as per the real thing in terms of shot capacity and reloading.

By comparison, the pellet-firing versions of the Umarex Glock 17, and the version which can fire both pellets and BBs too, use small rotary eight-shot magazines. Of these, whilst the main ejectable magazine is comparable in size to the real Glock's magazine because it is designed to conveniently store three additional spare rotary mags clipped into it whilst also holding a fourth one which is the actual operating mag, this means it is only an eight-shot pistol before you have to eject the main magazine then swap over the rotary mags within. One of these rotary mags which comes with the dual ammo capable version is designed to hold BBs in case you were curious about how that dul capability actually functions, but with either BBs or pellets, it's only ever an eight shot pistol between reloads.

But all this stuff is about replication rather than accuracy. So...

Both the dual ammo capable and pellet only capable versions of, for example, the Umarex Glock 17 have rifled barrels, and this means they will be a bit more accurate with pellets. However, it's probably fair to say that at the ranges one would typically use a semi-automatic pistol (either real or one of those Umarex replicas), the difference in accuracy is likely to be fairly minimal, because if you want perfect accuracy, these are not the kind of pistols you'd choose, so really, BBs are more than accurate enough for the kind of shooting you'll be doing with these things.

But - and this one is really important - whilst you can sometimes get ricochets from lead pellets, you do tend to get them a lot more from BBs. I'm sure you know that's because lead pellets compress on impact and that spills a lot of their energy, whereas steel BBs don't compress very much at all upon impact and that makes them more prone to bouncing off whatever they hit. It also means that BBs tend to penetrate hard targets more than pellets do; a good example being glass bottles: Shoot a glass bottle with a lead pellet and you'll more than likely smash the bottle, but shoot it with a steel BB and it will probably put a couple of holes through the thing.

This means two things in terms of safety, one, always wear shooting glasses when shooting BBs (you should do this when shooting anything to be honest), and always use targets which are designed to trap and collect spent rounds and use a big backstop behind these targets which does that too, because if literally any pellet or BB ricochets and leaves the boundaries of your property, aside from that being at best annoying and at worst dangerous, it is also illegal. Not a big deal if you are at a range, but certainly something to consider if you will be plinking cans in your back yard.

So personally, if you want a replica semi-automatic CO2 air pistol - and you should if you like shooting and are interested in weapons, because they are great fun - I'd say BB was the way to go simply because they tend to have a magazine shot capacity closer to the real thing and their magazine mechanism is more akin to the real thing too.
Thanks for taking the time to explain things so well. Im a lot clearer now. I'm now much better informed to make my choice. Much appreciated.
 
Apologies if this has been covered but a search didn't find anything.
I'm thinking of dipping my toe into the world of CO2 replicas after trying one at the range. I liked the quick fire experience. Is there an advantage in getting BB over pellet or is it best to keep your options open and get a gun that fires both? I'd like some reasonable accuracy. I like the look of Berettas and Glocks so any pointers from you guys in the know?
I think you need to define reasonable accuracy. You also need to decide which is more important accuracy or authenticity. Revolvers are far more authentic and as others have said authentic semi-autos are more likely to be BB. I've never fired a BB gun that came anywhere near the accuracy of my S&W M29 pellet pistol which is also quite authentic by the replica measure.
 
Some ranges don't allow the use of steel BBs due to the ricochet problems. Copper coated lead BBs can get round that issue but not all guns like them.
The 8 shot "revolvermatics" look like the originals but function in a completely different way. All the shell loading revolvers look like and work as the originals. Usually you can use BBs or pellets in them.
 
I've owned many replicas and the majority are more about the fun of handling the gun than accuracy as such.

Blow back 1911s are the most fun IMO, great to have the slide blow back, but most take BBs and accuracy is down to shooting tin cans, but it's where the fun is.

Just my take, but if you want a replica for the looks, but still hold it's own at the range, I would go for the Walther CP88 competition.

It looks the part, but is accurate enough with pellets to be hold it's own.
 
I chose the pellet version of my Smith and Wesson M29 revolver to avoid the ricochet of BB's. It's pretty accurate and an almost exact copy of the original so it looks great. It's a real head turner when I whip it out at the range! (oo er missus)

Alan
 
Be aware that pellet revolvers mostly have stupidly short rifled barrels, the M29 8 3/8" barrel is actually only 2.75" long, same goes for the Nagants, 629s, Legends S40 etc.

I have a M29 6.5" pellet and also a 629 5" BB amongst others and the 5" BB is more accurate than the original M29s .177 rifled barrel

The M29s 2.75" barrel was soon swapped out for a full length barrel in .22 but that's another story.
 
If you want accuracy the cp88 competition as stated or the sw 586 ideally 6 or even 8 inch barrel. The sw also has the advantage of going off with a fair pop. However I also have a Sig p226 xfive BB and that has a good pop and strong blow back recoil..letting rip with a full mag is much fun .
 
Been fighting the urge to buy a Walther ppk from my local rfd. Also Glocks, 911's etc. Something about the ppk.
I recently purchased the Umarex walther PPK/s from an Rfd, its a great replica the magazine is plastic low quality though and BBs do occasionally roll out the barrel if the pistol is pointed down. My inner James Bond can forgive it though.
 
I recently purchased the Umarex walther PPK/s from an Rfd, its a great replica the magazine is plastic low quality though and BBs do occasionally roll out the barrel if the pistol is pointed down. My inner James Bond can forgive it though.
That's the thing that's making me err a bit. The magazine. Better if it was a complete unit with the co2 as some other pistols have. Still on the fence. Knowing me, once I get in the shop and get to handle them there'll be something else lol. Always wanted a peace keeper. Reminds me of watching westerns with my dad when I was a kid.
 
personally i only do pellet purely because my local range wont allow BB and i like to have everything the same
 
Although I have both in sig p226, i like the realism of the bb than the pellet, the pellet shoots much safer but trigger pull is weighted to cycle magazine, and it doesn't have any lock on empty while the bb is all nice and very realistic on all scenario, if the replica is a revolver, i would prefer the pellet as everything will be on par, only wish i would ask for a revolver for manufacturer to make is a .22 cal revolver, if ever they made one for either peacemaker or the sw 44 magnum replica(Dirty Harry), ill definitely wont think twice to get one.
 
Although I have both in sig p226, i like the realism of the bb than the pellet, the pellet shoots much safer but trigger pull is weighted to cycle magazine, and it doesn't have any lock on empty while the bb is all nice and very realistic on all scenario, if the replica is a revolver, i would prefer the pellet as everything will be on par, only wish i would ask for a revolver for manufacturer to make is a .22 cal revolver, if ever they made one for either peacemaker or the sw 44 magnum replica(Dirty Harry), ill definitely wont think twice to get one.
Webley
 
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