Artemis PP700SA moderator?

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Hi I am after a really efficient moderator for my .177 pp700sa.

After anyone's personal experience of them? I intend to use in my backgarden so would like it to be as effective as possible.

Thanks 👌
 
Hi I am after a really efficient moderator for my .177 pp700sa.

After anyone's personal experience of them? I intend to use in my backgarden so would like it to be as effective as possible.

Thanks 👌
I believe you need an adapter as well? I have one of these pistols and am interested in the performance of anything you end up fitting. But I suspect it will end up barrel heavy.
 
I believe you need an adapter as well? I have one of these pistols and am interested in the performance of anything you end up fitting. But I suspect it will end up barrel heavy.
Mine has a stock now so any weight up front for stability is welcome, bipod too
 
Mine has a stock now so any weight up front for stability is welcome, bipod too
Yes. Stock plus front weight as moderator and it's becoming a sort of mini carbine. You'll be able to hit things at 50 yards if you add a decent sight too. Be aware that a good moderator may push up the power quite a bit.
 
Thankyou for the advice. I will get her across the chrony f1 once I have decided on a suitable mod.

The small carbine effect appeals to me. Is there a legal length it has to be before it's considered a rifle as opposed to pistol?
 
Thankyou for the advice. I will get her across the chrony f1 once I have decided on a suitable mod.

The small carbine effect appeals to me. Is there a legal length it has to be before it's considered a rifle as opposed to pistol?
It starts as a pistol and remains a pistol if you just fit a moderator. So you have to stay under 6 Ftlb.
 
Yes. Stock plus front weight as moderator and it's becoming a sort of mini carbine. You'll be able to hit things at 50 yards if you add a decent sight too. Be aware that a good moderator may push up the power quite a bit.
how can a moderator increase power? 😂
 
Grey area and going off my own topic a tad but intention is to have a 200mm silencer one end along with my stock at the other end which couldn't be further from the original pistol if it tried. Thanks for all your advice 🙏
 
The Reximex silent force is an ideal silencer when screwed to a half inch unf adapter .
I’m sure there was a member making them though that didn’t need an adapter .
 
Because the increased air pressure compared to free air can continue to accelerate the pellet for a PCP.
to increase pressure bore or cubic capacity would have to reduce or maintain the same to utilise the remaining unspent energy such as a longer barrel can use remaining energy up until a certain point where efficiency deminishes and no more gain to be had..... or the other flipside is like the clever guy on here milled slots just before the choke and managed to release dirty fouling air infront of the pellet and i believe he saw an increase in fps.
 
Re post #8. In general..... The speed of a pellet increases as a the barrel is made longer - up to a point. For a PCP rifle, that effect lasts for about 400mm. Let's just believe that figure for the moment. Some folk argue that if you could measure pellet speed at any instant, then the pellet speed would actually still be increasing after it has left a barrel of 400mm.
Now a pistol barrel is only about 175mm, but the pellet power is nominally 50% of a rifle, and both the velocity and forward air resistance of the pellet are about 70% that of a rifle. In a pistol, the internals have to be tweaked to accelerate the pellet at a fast rate in a shorter barrel - that is inefficient, especially for 0.177 - the result has to be that more air and potential energy is wasted. And that is heard as a noise at the barrel end.
If that air is constrained at the barrel output, then its forward motion and hence energy is highly likely to be transferred, in part, to the pellet.
In terms of whether the pistol becomes a rifle, the major (but very arguable) definition of that being barrel length, could an official choose to count a moderator or silencer as part of the barrel? One thing is certain. If the pellet speed was measured, that could only be done at the accessible end. After the extra bit. Because the catchall law uses the phrase "is capable".
So if it's now a rifle, it's still almost certainly legal, and if it's a pistol it may be illegal. The stock is irrelevant. This subject has been discussed extensively in earlier threads. The lawyers could have a field day!
 
The pellet is propelled down the barrel under force via air once it leaves the barrel it is on its own and will start decreasing the only time you may and i say may have a very marginal increase is immediately after the choke as it becomes free, but that is from friction resistance acting against the air pressure force and then suddenly passing it... The barrel lengths you mention are not direct factors at all valve dwell and porting are what makes use of barrel length efficiency which is why some pcps are quieter than others, an unefficient pcp at sub12 will be louder than an efficient sub pcp with same barrel length because theres still air energy left which is being wasted in the blast exiting the barrel.

as for pistol or rifle , its not Just about barrel length its if you make major significant changes which are not easily reversible ie longer barrel , longer cylinder / bottle conversion , stock conversion and as long as you are happy to argue in court with your changes and you believe that you will win ,,, for a mod to be considered part of a barrel it would have to be fixed ie welded or epoxied but a permanent fixture.
 
how can a moderator increase power? 😂
Exactly what I was thinking. Lynx body spray is more likely to make me irresistible to the ladies than a silencer is likely to increase an air rifle/pistols power even a little bit let alone a lot!
 
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Once a pistol, always a pistol , stock or no stock

Yep, 100% correct I believe. Here is my 'pistol'..

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It will always be regarded as a pistol, because that's what it was made to be by the manufacturers. There are plenty of guns that are very similar to this and are 12pfe, but that is what they were made to be.

Mod is a Weihrauch XLK, it's very quiet.
 
Hi I am after a really efficient moderator for my .177 pp700sa.

After anyone's personal experience of them? I intend to use in my backgarden so would like it to be as effective as possible.

Thanks 👌
I have a SAK moderator on my PP700SA and it's very effective.
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