Am I in trouble.

some of your comments are a bit much this was a genuine mistake error ,call it impulse buying almost see something you like buy it it was a mistake yes but hardly call it irresponsible . I have seen reports where the police have siezed 18 "knives and not prosecuted . typical police in this country no common sense.

Police investigate crimes reported to them - there is a well established process for this.

Is illegal importation of an illegal bladed item so radically different from illegal importation of drugs or other weapons from the point of view of Customs and Excise?

Maybe wait to see the outcome before bashing the Police?
 
As I said its their platform and they make the rules.

It's up to the person buying from the ads to know the laws or find out the laws in the country they live in.

People should be responsible for their own actions .
I'd repectfully disagree as it's a form of marketing creating profit. And as such acting as a marketing firm they have obligations to follow our rules. I'm pretty sure marketing firms have been done in the past for not doing so. I'm not in business as a customer so don't feel I have to know every rule ever made. That obligation is on a business or commercial if you like.
 
I personally wouldn‘t lie if I was in this situation. By telling the truth and saying it was just a novelty gift, there‘s not much else they can ask about it. They can‘t ask you what the intended recipient might use it for. They can’t even ask the intended recipient about it, because they didn’t even know anything about it.

By claiming it‘s for yourself, you would open yourself up for a whole lot of further questioning, for which you’d have to answer with more lies. I’m a rubbish liar so I would trip myself up at some point.

However, I’m not offering advice, I’m just thinking out loud here. I would definitely take some legal representation though. If they want their pound of flesh, you’re going to need it.
 
I'd repectfully disagree as it's a form of marketing creating profit. And as such acting as a marketing firm they have obligations to follow our rules. I'm pretty sure marketing firms have been done in the past for not doing so. I'm not in business as a customer so don't feel I have to know every rule ever made. That obligation is on a business or commercial if you like.
If you believe that them contact them and see what they say.

It still won't change the fact the OP bought something he knew nothing about and I can't see that being Facebooks problem. If he had done a few mins research he would have seen they were illegal to import into the UK and to own them.



A few mins research or a lifetime of it following you 🤔.

I research anything I intend to do or buy as my future may be affected if I get it wrong.
 
Without customs you would have been in posession of an aledged illegal devise and that could be a line of questioning.

I have no clue how you counter that if they press you on what you intended to do with it.

As already mentioned it needs some kind of defense that doesn't incriminent yourself.
 
I personally wouldn‘t lie if I was in this situation. By telling the truth and saying it was just a novelty gift, there‘s not much else they can ask about it. They can‘t ask you what the intended recipient might use it for. They can’t even ask the intended recipient about it, because they didn’t even know anything about it.

By claiming it‘s for yourself, you would open yourself up for a whole lot of further questioning, for which you’d have to answer with more lies. I’m a rubbish liar so I would trip myself up at some point.

However, I’m not offering advice, I’m just thinking out loud here. I would definitely take some legal representation though. If they want their pound of flesh, you’re going to need it.

Usuallly I would agree.

Just one of the good reasons for getting Legal advice is to settle the question of whether this might raise a "with intent to supply" add on to any existing charge; that would be a significant escalation.
 
Is there any examples of the original advert still in circulation?
If your on Facebook search for belt buckle knife and you will find plenty .May not be the one the OP bought from as there is loads of sellers selling them and no doubt all connected.

One here.

Belt buckle.




Even this is illegal here . A push dagger .
Yes its in GBP but its still coming into the UK from another country.

Based in China .

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This company sells them .


here is their terms .


GENERAL

These Terms of Purchase have been executed and delivered by you and constitute a valid and binding agreement between you and the Company, enforceable against you in accordance with their terms. You represent that you are (1) at least 18 years of age, (2) of legal age to form a binding contract, and (3) not a person barred from receiving services under any applicable laws, rules or regulations.



You shall purchase and use the products and services available through the Company Sites, in strict compliance with these Terms of Purchase and all applicable laws, rules and regulations (collectively, “Laws”). You are responsible to comply with all applicable laws with respect to your purchase, including all applicable laws in the jurisdiction to which any products are shipped. All calls, emails and other communications between you and the Company may be recorded.




Yes, I know not all sites have this but some do as above.
 
This company sells them .


here is their terms .


GENERAL

These Terms of Purchase have been executed and delivered by you and constitute a valid and binding agreement between you and the Company, enforceable against you in accordance with their terms. You represent that you are (1) at least 18 years of age, (2) of legal age to form a binding contract, and (3) not a person barred from receiving services under any applicable laws, rules or regulations.



You shall purchase and use the products and services available through the Company Sites, in strict compliance with these Terms of Purchase and all applicable laws, rules and regulations (collectively, “Laws”). You are responsible to comply with all applicable laws with respect to your purchase, including all applicable laws in the jurisdiction to which any products are shipped. All calls, emails and other communications between you and the Company may be recorded.




Yes, I know not all sites have this but some do as above.
It might be a bit of a touch if they insinuated they had stock already in the UK. Like alot of these drop shippers do...😉😉nudge nudge
 
It might be a bit of a touch if they insinuated they had stock already in the UK. Like alot of these drop shippers do...😉😉nudge nudge
It might do but again the onus is on the buyer to make sure its legal . You may get lucky and use it as a defence but I cant see it working for many .
 
If you believe that them contact them and see what they say.

It still won't change the fact the OP bought something he knew nothing about and I can't see that being Facebooks problem. If he had done a few mins research he would have seen they were illegal to import into the UK and to own them.



A few mins research or a lifetime of it following you 🤔.

I research anything I intend to do or buy as my future may be affected if I get it wrong.
I never said they follow the rules. Quite the opposite as there so rich they don't apply.
And to be honest if I saw that I'd of thought it's under 3" so ok. Way too many rules that even the police don't know or understand.
 
I never said they follow the rules. Quite the opposite as there so rich they don't apply.
And to be honest if I saw that I'd of thought it's under 3" so ok. Way too many rules that even the police don't know or understand.

Its a locking knife which although its legal , You need a good reason to have it on you , So putting that on your belt and going out on the town is not lawful .
Fine if you were using it for work.

Read the advert . It gives you clues that it wont be legal here .


Features

Knife Hidden In Buckle: There is a push-type self-defense knife in the buckle head of the belt, which is easy to take out and is especially suitable for going out.
 
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Since all the UK laws changed regarding certain weapons, it has got a few people in trouble with the law.
I remember reading a while back how an older gentleman in Scotland was having problems with some youths banging on his door and they also smashed one of his windows.
Worried for his life he got called the police, then got out an old knuckle duster to protect himself with incase they came back whilst he awaited the police to come round and take a statement.
Once they arrived they saw the knuckle duster on his kitchen table and he was arrested and charged ?!

Knuckle dusters, nunchucks, samurai swords (unless you can prove it is at least 100 tears old) police batons and a few other things are all illegal now since the changes came into effect.

If you have any of the above they are meant to be handed in to the police or destroyed.
 
You are entitled to free legal advice for your interview via the duty solicitor.
But at the end of the day, you've imported a restricted item and you know it, but it's been seized.
Mistake or not, you already know you've committed an offence, so taking some of the advice on here and being an ars* to the police isn't going to do you any favours, and charging decisions, even desicions for cautions are made by the cps, not the police.
 
No comment isn't wise, and I (my Mrs) have experience of that and the whole court process.

If they've got proof of it addressed to you and if they can obtain proof through your bank that you ordered it then a 'no comment' interview will just irritate them into getting the CPS to charge you, resulting in court and a conviction.

Being honest. Admitting your mistake. Showing them you've never been in trouble. Showing them the Facebook advert...will at the very least prove to them you're remorseful. Atleast doing that there's a chance you will walk away with a caution or no further action if they're using discretion.
 
Since all the UK laws changed regarding certain weapons, it has got a few people in trouble with the law.
I remember reading a while back how an older gentleman in Scotland was having problems with some youths banging on his door and they also smashed one of his windows.
Worried for his life he got called the police, then got out an old knuckle duster to protect himself with incase they came back whilst he awaited the police to come round and take a statement.
Once they arrived they saw the knuckle duster on his kitchen table and he was arrested and charged ?!

Knuckle dusters, nunchucks, samurai swords (unless you can prove it is at least 100 tears old) police batons and a few other things are all illegal now since the changes came into effect.

If you have any of the above they are meant to be handed in to the police or destroyed.


You were allowed to possess certain items if you had them before they were banned many many years ago, you could not sell ,gift or buy them new .



In 2019 it changed and they were made illegal to possess .

You did not get much for them but its better than a criminal record if caught.


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The new definition of a flick knife now covers Knives it did not cover before 2019 .

Amendments to the definition of “flick knife”
The sale, importation and supply of flick knives and gravity knives have been banned since 1959[footnote 13]. Section 43 of the Act amends the definition of a “flick knife” in the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959[footnote 14]. The amended definition now includes any knife that opens automatically from a closed position, or partially opened position, to a fully opened position by means of any manual pressure that is applied to a button, spring or other device which is contained either within the knife or is attached to the knife.

The previous definition of a “flick knife” referred to the mechanism that activates the blade being in, or attached to, the handle of the knife. This did not capture more recent designs of knives which are now available which mimic the speed and way in which a flick knife can be opened through a mechanism not in the handle itself.

It should be noted that knives that open manually, including those which can be opened with a thumb stud, do not fall under the amended definition of a flick knife. Similarly, those knives with a mechanism that opens the blade slightly, but not completely, and can only be fully opened by hand are also not within the amended definition. This means that there are types of knives that can still be sold which allows for the knife to be opened with one hand such as, for example, where a person is climbing a rockface and who needs to support their weight with one hand and open the knife with their other hand.


By "spring" is now capturing spring assist Knives from what I have read.



Knives​

  • All of the knives sold by Knife Warehouse are legal to own provided you are over the age of 18. However, not all are legal to carry with you in public. Please read the guide further down on ‘Carrying Knives‘ for more information.
  • Spring Assisted knives are no longer legal in the UK. The Government amended the Violent Crime Reduction Act and reclassified these as Offensive Weapons.

That is why no UK knife sellers sell them now as far I have seen .Many owners have removed the spring. Yet some are still trying to import them into the UK


Some wont even stock flipper Knives ( none spring assist) due to this bit .

The previous definition of a “flick knife” referred to the mechanism that activates the blade being in, or attached to, the handle of the knife." This did not capture more recent designs of knives which are now available which mimic the speed and way in which a flick knife can be opened through a mechanism not in the handle itself."


Apparently this last bit, with a ‘button, spring or other device in or attached to the knife’ also spans the use of a flipper to ‘flick open’ a knife. It also gives reason to assume that any assisted opening knife is not legal to own. Though that is easier to grasp than a manually opening flipper knife.

Apparently this last bit, with a ‘button, spring or other device in or attached to the knife’ also spans the use of a flipper to ‘flick open’ a knife. It also gives reason to assume that any assisted opening knife is not legal to own. Though that is easier to grasp than a manually opening flipper knife.

Grey area
To some this may be crystal clear, others might find this a grey area. It does not differentiate between a thumb stud ( this has been clarified as you can see in the OWA 2019 bit I posted above ) and a flipper. We’ve come to notice that the Home Office likes to air on the side of caution, as we’ve had quite a few parcels being intercepted an destroyed. That’s where the caution stops, as they then do send quite an alarming letter to the intended recipient, warning about consequences for ‘repeat offenders’. Including fines that run into the thousands of pounds, and even years in prison. Quite harsh for a simple folding knife.

Stopping the flippers
This is why we’ve stopped selling flipper knives, assisted openers and some other knives to the UK and Ireland. We want to adhere to the law, even if it is not crystal clear. The risk for you as our customer, us as a business and all the lost merchandise are simply not worth it. We’ve worked with a ‘soft’ ban just preventing the shipping of these items, while still listing them for customers from outside the UK who were used to order from our UK website. But now we’ve decided to take them offline for good. A step other UK retailers took before us, and we expect others to follow suit in the near future as this affects everyone.

Until there is a clarification , I wont buy buying a spring assist and if I had one , I would be removing the spring.
 
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