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Airbow Conviction. By @Bighit
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Original post by @simonplatt
Dont believe anything that you read in newspapers.
the report is flawed anyway.
QUOTE: police and prosecutors sought to get the legal status of the weapon changed. UNQUOTE.
to what? if they are seeking to get it changed to a firearm, then they are clearly stating that it isnt.
that said, British law is pathetic, made by people who are not of sound mind, who just make laws to kid the public that they are doing something, and effectively make the situation worse.
The law is the law...., well apparently not, they make it up as they go along.
I would like to be able to see some real facts of this case.
Dont believe anything that you read in newspapers.
the report is flawed anyway.
QUOTE: police and prosecutors sought to get the legal status of the weapon changed. UNQUOTE.
to what? if they are seeking to get it changed to a firearm, then they are clearly stating that it isnt.
that said, British law is pathetic, made by people who are not of sound mind, who just make laws to kid the public that they are doing something, and effectively make the situation worse.
The law is the law...., well apparently not, they make it up as they go along.
I would like to be able to see some real facts of this case.
Original post by @Ste Hughes
M0XOM said: ↑
I'm only speculating but the prosecution could easily make an argument that the air tube the arrow rests on before it's fired is a barrel, therefore making the air bow a firearm under current legislation as it would be over 1 joule of energy.
I think it would be fairly simple to get a jury to follow along with that.
M0XOM said: ↑
That's exactly what I'm saying. There is nothing in law saying a projectile has to be fired from inside a barrel to make it a barrel.
I'm only speculating but the prosecution could easily make an argument that the air tube the arrow rests on before it's fired is a barrel, therefore making the air bow a firearm under current legislation as it would be over 1 joule of energy.
I think it would be fairly simple to get a jury to follow along with that.
Original post by @hughwp
bighit said: ↑
bighit said: ↑
I think there is a world difference between shooting a low power airgun like a 1.5fpe CO2 pistol in the garden and one of these, would anyone be happy with a neighbour shooting armour piercing weapons in a garden? These will only bring shooting sports more bad publicity at a time it has enough already.
Original post by @Bighit
hughwp said: ↑
Not all of them are armour piercing. The one I showed above is 34ftlbs. No different to some regular bows that some will shoot in their garden.
Permission off a landowner to shoot it on their land . The same as some do with bows and airguns as their garden is not big enough.
hughwp said: ↑
So people dont shoot sub12ftlbs in their garden,just Co2 pistols .
Not all of them are armour piercing. The one I showed above is 34ftlbs. No different to some regular bows that some will shoot in their garden.
Permission off a landowner to shoot it on their land . The same as some do with bows and airguns as their garden is not big enough.
Original post by @r10hunter
Everyone knew they would be classed as section 1 if a case went to court.
An importer spent a lot of money and time on forums and getting experts to right letters to try to lobby for their legality but it was never going to wash.
People who have purchased them can’t say they weren’t warned.
Everyone knew they would be classed as section 1 if a case went to court.
An importer spent a lot of money and time on forums and getting experts to right letters to try to lobby for their legality but it was never going to wash.
People who have purchased them can’t say they weren’t warned.
Original post by @r10hunter
bighit said: ↑
Airbows don’t.
The home office now either adds airbow to the list of exempted items or they remain section 1.
The importer should have applied to have them added to the list at the time but probably had a fair idea the answer would be no.
bighit said: ↑
Dummy launchers, line guns, spear guns amongst other things have specific exemptions.
Airbows don’t.
The home office now either adds airbow to the list of exempted items or they remain section 1.
The importer should have applied to have them added to the list at the time but probably had a fair idea the answer would be no.
Original post by @hughwp
bighit said: ↑
Shooting bows is a sport that requires skill and unlikely to be used for illegal activities. These airbows are easy to conceal and likely to be used by unsupervised youths, criminals and for poaching that is why I think they need controlling.
bighit said: ↑
Its Ok if your garden is big enough, but how do you legislate for that?So people dont shoot sub12ftlbs in their garden,just Co2 pistols .
Not all of them are armour piercing. The one I showed above is 34ftlbs. No different to some regular bows that some will shoot in their garden.
Permission off a landowner to shoot it on their land . The same as some do with bows and airguns as their garden is not big enough.
Shooting bows is a sport that requires skill and unlikely to be used for illegal activities. These airbows are easy to conceal and likely to be used by unsupervised youths, criminals and for poaching that is why I think they need controlling.
Original post by @Geordiedan
Big ol' thread on them recently here:
https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/commu...this-new-airbow-cleared-for-uk-market.240857/
This link no longer exists, sorry folks!
Big ol' thread on them recently here:
https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/commu...this-new-airbow-cleared-for-uk-market.240857/
This link no longer exists, sorry folks!
Original post by @peter Mulhearn
The odd thing is that the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 prohibits hunting with a bow but does not mention arrows. The conviction was for possession of an air weapon that exceeded the 12 fp limit. One could deduce from the verdict that if you have such a weapon on an FAC it would be legal to hunt with arrows. Mind you I don't fancy your chances with the variation!
Also could be covered by,
Firearms Act 1968.
S.5 (b)any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing.
The odd thing is that the Wildlife & Countryside Act 1981 prohibits hunting with a bow but does not mention arrows. The conviction was for possession of an air weapon that exceeded the 12 fp limit. One could deduce from the verdict that if you have such a weapon on an FAC it would be legal to hunt with arrows. Mind you I don't fancy your chances with the variation!
Also could be covered by,
Firearms Act 1968.
S.5 (b)any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing.
Original post by @Bighit
hughwp said: ↑
These airguns are easy to conceal and likely to be used by unsupervised youths, criminals and for poaching.
Should the leshiy be banned as it's easy to conceal and use for poaching ?
Do you think they showed be controlled also ? Licensed like they are up here ?
Yes they are controlled by the firearms act . So could airbows but on their own terms.
hughwp said: ↑
These airguns are easy to conceal and likely to be used by unsupervised youths, criminals and for poaching.
Should the leshiy be banned as it's easy to conceal and use for poaching ?
Do you think they showed be controlled also ? Licensed like they are up here ?
Yes they are controlled by the firearms act . So could airbows but on their own terms.
Original post by @MrLongbeard
hughwp said: ↑
hughwp said: ↑
Meh, let 'em crack on, s'long as they remain within their boundaries then they're free to enjoy themselves how they see fit.
Original post by @hughwp
bighit said: ↑
As its illegal to hunt with these they would have few qualms about poaching with them
When and whether they licence air guns is another matter for the government to decide as is what they decide to do with airbows. As others have posted it's likely there will be more restrictions than sub12
bighit said: ↑
I was comparing them with bows as bows were mentioned.
As its illegal to hunt with these they would have few qualms about poaching with them
When and whether they licence air guns is another matter for the government to decide as is what they decide to do with airbows. As others have posted it's likely there will be more restrictions than sub12
Original post by @Mortimer
bighit said: ↑
I'm a libertarian when it comes to most things and my comments in the last post were framed inside the parameters of how we are obliged to temper our interests in this country with its repressive attitude to anything that can be used as a 'weapon'; their distrust of a mostly sensible population. Laws applying to knives are a good, ridiculous example. Restrictions on them do nothing to tackle the problem of the feral halfwits that mis-use them and everything to inconvenience ordinary people.
I couldn't care less if backyard plinkers want to use airbows, but I'm sure they'd get more enjoyment from an airgun or a semi-automatic pistol.
bighit said: ↑
Unwelcome by archery clubs, who have probably the best facilities for airbows. Most of them are so prissy they stop people using crossbows
I'm a libertarian when it comes to most things and my comments in the last post were framed inside the parameters of how we are obliged to temper our interests in this country with its repressive attitude to anything that can be used as a 'weapon'; their distrust of a mostly sensible population. Laws applying to knives are a good, ridiculous example. Restrictions on them do nothing to tackle the problem of the feral halfwits that mis-use them and everything to inconvenience ordinary people.
I couldn't care less if backyard plinkers want to use airbows, but I'm sure they'd get more enjoyment from an airgun or a semi-automatic pistol.
Original post by @Hiram
Mortimer said: ↑
Mortimer said: ↑
I really like your posts @Mortimer. They are always well stated, adapted to the meanest understanding (mine) and interesting but I don't really get what you're saying here. Are you, as a gentleman with a Libertarian bent, for or against airbows? Are you simply dryly stating that in the over-controlled, entirely hopolophobic UK it's not surprising they won't legally fly or do you think they should be illegal?Unwelcome by archery clubs, who have probably the best facilities for airbows. Most of them are so prissy they stop people using crossbows
I'm a libertarian when it comes to most things and my comments in the last post were framed inside the parameters of how we are obliged to temper our interests in this country with its repressive attitude to anything that can be used as a 'weapon'; their distrust of a mostly sensible population. Laws applying to knives are a good, ridiculous example. Restrictions on them do nothing to tackle the problem of the feral halfwits that mis-use them and everything to inconvenience ordinary people.
I couldn't care less if backyard plinkers want to use airbows, but I'm sure they'd get more enjoyment from an airgun or a semi-automatic pistol.