Ballzup
Super member
I know, I was just being playful. No offence intended!
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the Daily hi thread
A little warning to sellers asking for pp F&F payment
- Thread starter hughwp
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Hi genuine question how would you have sent it? As that’s how I’d have posted it.What is a better method
Thanks
Ballzup
Super member
There are some people who just have that nature don't they. Wont pay for anything, always cheat if they can. Seems to be a growing trend, often just for a few quid and it poisons the nature of the trading platform. We recently tried to sell a bike on Gumtree; got two instant replies and a constructed 'paypal page' saying they had the money and then a complicated load of ******** about why we had to pay something to release the money. We were onto both messages straight away though as the 'pidgin English' was apparent. My last text to the wannabee fraudster was heavily anglo saxon in it's English.
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I've always been wary of the old house brick trick. I once opened a small package infront of our very patient postman absolutely convinced that this ever so small box couldn't possibly be the DAB Sony radio I'd bought from a discount electrical outlet. Admittedly all was fine and I was left looking a prune but I did have good reason to be cautious as the store had already sodded me about. Still, I don't have a PP account and would've thought 'friends and family' mean exactly that. Just pay the commission to be safe.
paypal closed me down for buying/selling airgun related bits.
seems they dont like the word gun.so be very careful buying
selling anything to do with our hobby
seems they dont like the word gun.so be very careful buying
selling anything to do with our hobby
jesim1
Member Extraordinaire
I don't know about the scam, and thought that with proof of delivery there is likely more to this, but either way, I use PPFF all the time and never have any trouble. 99% of what I do is on here mind, and people can see my feedback, so it's pretty safe for them, I'm the one taking the risk, but I also offer BT if they want, and on a £600 item with no way to check the history I think I would want BT on that also if I did not have some way to reduce my risk - like being an established member on here.
Arrizabalaga
Super member
Never understood this. I think every RFD with an online presence (web site) accepts PP - obviously only for items they can legally post.
Different accounts for business and the public.
PayPal Open | Business Payment Solutions | PayPal UK
Explore PayPal Open, our unified business payment solution. Accept payments, manage risk, streamline your operations and more, all with PayPal for Business
www.paypal.com
They are clamping down on traders using F&F in the US at the moment .
PayPal is ending fee-free Friends & Family payments for business accounts
Business owners will now need to use a personal account.
www.theverge.com
Many businesses handle transactions using a PayPal business account and take payments for goods and services through F&F, even though you’re technically not supposed to. The buyer might not realize the difference or care, or the business and the customer could agree to send cash that way to avoid seller fees. This is fairly common in many informal transactions, like people selling things on social media platforms — perhaps the buyer knows the seller personally and trusts that they’ll deliver. Sometimes sellers insist on F&F to avoid transaction fees, which causes problems if something goes wrong down the line.
I guess if they see numerous transactions from lots of people they may suspect the recipient is a trader using their platform to trade with out using good and services fees.
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Byronic
Member Extraordinaire
Slightly different problem with PP F&F earlier this year with me.
Buying some stuff off AGF, a guy who has helped me out and is highly recommended so no criticism at all of him!
I copied and paste his EMail address into PayPal F&F, entered the amount etc snd sent off £65 ish.
It converted the payment to dollars, seemed a bit odd but sent it anyway.
All fine.
Later noticed on my confirmation Email from PP that the Email address to which the payment went was slightly different so contacted the vendor by WhatsApp - no payment received.
I cannot reclaim the amount because it is F&F.
No reply to Emails sent to the "wrong" address.
How did this happen?
Search me!
Just be very meticulous in checking details when making payments!
Buying some stuff off AGF, a guy who has helped me out and is highly recommended so no criticism at all of him!
I copied and paste his EMail address into PayPal F&F, entered the amount etc snd sent off £65 ish.
It converted the payment to dollars, seemed a bit odd but sent it anyway.
All fine.
Later noticed on my confirmation Email from PP that the Email address to which the payment went was slightly different so contacted the vendor by WhatsApp - no payment received.
I cannot reclaim the amount because it is F&F.
No reply to Emails sent to the "wrong" address.
How did this happen?
Search me!
Just be very meticulous in checking details when making payments!
Rich79
Member Extraordinaire
I've only bought and sold a few things on here compared to some, but I don't have PayPal so always do a Bank transfer.
As a buyer you're at the mercy of them then sending you your goods, but if it's a long serving trusted member on here then I've got no problem with that.
As a buyer you're at the mercy of them then sending you your goods, but if it's a long serving trusted member on here then I've got no problem with that.
I sold a scope for £110 recently and had to pay roughly £3.50 fees to sell it under paypal goods thereby giving buyer protection. Not therefore a lot extra £ for any genuine seller to pay in order to reassure the buyer.
Problem is as a seller you are at the mercy of the buyer not saying "it didn't arrive", or for anything sent recorded delivery "It wasn't all in the box", or "different item sent".....then the buyer is at the mercy of whoever they used i.e. ebay, paypal etc who will side naturally with the buyer.
Flinty
Super member
I had a similar problem a while ago buying from the old AGF site, my fault I miss spelled the email address and told the seller I had sent the money, but no money was received. went into Paypal realized my mistake clicked on request a refund gave the reason, apart from having to wait about 1-month the money was refunded.
I was able to send a second payment to the correct email, out of pocket until the refund came through but that's my own fault. Should have said I used Friends & Family
Arrizabalaga
Super member
I understand that but I can't see the logic behind it. I can't (officially) by a tin of pellets from you and pay you by PayPal, but if you create a business account with them I can. Would having a business account make you somehow more trustworthy in their eyes? Or do business users pay a premium to be able to sell gun related stuff?
You can buy pellets and pay by paypal. It's only firearms and certain other parts your not allowed to use it for.
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You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:
- violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
- relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.
Exclusions here
Air weapon licensing in Scotland: guide
Guidance published by Scottish Ministers on the practical application of the Air Weapons and Licensing (Scotland) Act 2015.
www.gov.scot
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In addition, Part 1 does not regulate ammunition for air weapons – i.e. pellets or other missiles.
So I would think this covers the part in the PayPal terms
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regulated under applicable law.
We have to show an AWC to buy a moderator in Scotland from an RFD but we dont with pellets.
Unless some one knows differently.
Having a business account means you may get more leeway to use it for things that they prohibit the public from using it for.
Like Parcel Force , a business account let's you use it for things the general public cant .
A business Evri ( Hermes) account let's JSR send co2 capsules to your door but you cant as a general public user of their services. It will also gives JSR compensation for sending a scope to you but a general public user gets no compensation for optical equipment using their service.
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PhilH1
Super member
Bought a air rifle from vector air using PayPal no problems. They are still accepting PayPal payments for all items.
RBinDevon
Member Extraordinaire
Almost the same happened to me.
I had a part made by one of our own using PPFF.
I entered the email address as given to me by the him. Copy & paste.
The name displayed was very similar, but when PP said it was converting to AUD I checked with the maker.
He realised that auto correct altered his email address slightly in his PM.
As Byronic said - Just be very careful
eddy6419
Super member
Ebay are a joke...once you buy something your hounded to leave feedback, if it goes wrong three months down the line and seller ignores your complaint you cannot then review the original feedback left and ebays money back guarantee last a whopping 30 days....after that they wash their hands of any problem you might have incurred.
Add to that it would be easier to have a sing along with Elvis then to contact any ebay wallah tops it off.... I rarely buy or sell anything on ebay unless its of low value,...say like.....99p
Add to that it would be easier to have a sing along with Elvis then to contact any ebay wallah tops it off.... I rarely buy or sell anything on ebay unless its of low value,...say like.....99p
Harold
Member Extraordinaire
I've had problems with paypal as a buyer in the past, i only pay with paypal via my credit card, paypal dont have access to my bank and any money paid into my paypal gets withdrawn stright away
Paypal are dirty thiefs and when they fail me my credit card company always resolve the issues.
Paypal are dirty thiefs and when they fail me my credit card company always resolve the issues.