12 gauge choke measurement.

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Ive just picked up a baikal out of the scrap pile at the rfd. Its completely unmarked to what choke is what, so im just going through the measurements.
The barrel measurements on the proofing are .719, choke measurements from the end are .686 and .700

Am I right in saying this is full and half?
 
Ive just picked up a baikal out of the scrap pile at the rfd. Its completely unmarked to what choke is what, so im just going through the measurements.
The barrel measurements on the proofing are .719, choke measurements from the end are .686 and .700

Am I right in saying this is full and half?
My old Browning Superposed B25 was originally marked as Full and Half with the bores measuring 0.685" and 0 .705" .
I have since had them taken out to Half 0.702" and Quarter 0.711" to handle the standard velocity non-lead cartridges.
 
My old Browning Superposed B25 was originally marked as Full and Half with the bores measuring 0.685" and 0 .705" .
I have since had them taken out to Half 0.702" and Quarter 0.711" to handle the standard velocity non-lead cartridges.
Sounds like its in the ballpark then. Looks like its had about 1/2 inch off the barrels too, apparently the baikal way is the barrel is produced and then cut to length for different choke restrictions. Mine are measuring 28 inch, should be 28.5, but they come silly tight chokes.
I need the tight chokes for dtl, i'll just chuck it away or cut it down to 1/2 1/2 if I still have it by the time steel comes along.
 
Full and 3/4 I'd say from your measurements.

I always go with
Cylinder = .729"
Skeet = 0.0035"
1/4 = 0.010"
1/2 = 0.020"
3/4 = 0.030"
Full = 0.040"
 
Full and 3/4 I'd say from your measurements.

I always go with
Cylinder = .729"
Skeet = 0.0035"
1/4 = 0.010"
1/2 = 0.020"
3/4 = 0.030"
Full = 0.040"
Would my cylinder not be .719, as that would be no constriction, and then 20 under for half and 30 under for 3/4?
Its all bloody confusing. It turns clays into absolute dust though so i imagine its pretty tight.
 
Based on the bore, the top is in-between 3/4 and Light Full and the bottom is half. That's a very tight barrel though at 0.719" so it might have a bit of a kick? 12 gauge is 0.725" and slightly more if it has been over-bored to reduce recoil.

How it patterns is going to be another matter. I would expect it to be tight.
 
Based on the bore, the top is in-between 3/4 and Light Full and the bottom is half. That's a very tight barrel though at 0.719" so it might have a bit of a kick? 12 gauge is 0.725" and slightly more if it has been over-bored to reduce recoil.

How it patterns is going to be another matter. I would expect it to be tight.
Doesnt seem to kick too bad, it feels a bit of a heavy lump compared to my other two though so that probably helps. And I only put 24g loads through it today (I only tend to shoot 21or 24)
I havent patterned it, wouldn't know where to start. Hit most the things I pointed it at today though, thats why I measured it, I was expecting it to be quite open with how well I shot on sporting today.
Must just fit me quite well, looking forward to trying it on dtl next month.
 
Would my cylinder not be .719, as that would be no constriction, and then 20 under for half and 30 under for 3/4?
Its all bloody confusing. It turns clays into absolute dust though so i imagine its pretty tight.
To be honest it's a bit of s minefield with bore and choke diameters, I know Baikals can be on the tighter side normally advertised as full and 3/4 or 1/2.
With steel coming in its got to be opened out if you're going to keep it.
 
To be honest it's a bit of s minefield with bore and choke diameters, I know Baikals can be on the tighter side normally advertised as full and 3/4 or 1/2.
With steel coming in its got to be opened out if you're going to keep it.
It was 30 quid. If it made it out the 3 years til the lead ban, i'd just chop 3/8 off and that would take it to 1/2 & 1/4 apparently.
 
Although it is stamped.719 it won’t necessarily be exactly that,it could be a few thousand more, .719 or .729 is simply a standard 12 bore marking. However yes,is is a minimum of 19 thou,(half choke) and 33 thou (tight 3/4) These Baikals usually have chrome lined barrels and not possible to bore out.
 
Sounds like its in the ballpark then. Looks like its had about 1/2 inch off the barrels too, apparently the baikal way is the barrel is produced and then cut to length for different choke restrictions. Mine are measuring 28 inch, should be 28.5, but they come silly tight chokes.
I need the tight chokes for dtl, i'll just chuck it away or cut it down to 1/2 1/2 if I still have it by the time steel comes along.
The bores are of course parallel internally except at the choke cone part, with the last 2 inches being the choke area.the cone is about half an inch usually with about 1.5 inches a tighter parallel,removing 1/2 an inch will do nothing to alter the choke,as I see it it’s either remove all and have true cylinders or as it is now.
 
The bores are of course parallel internally except at the choke cone part, with the last 2 inches being the choke area.the cone is about half an inch usually with about 1.5 inches a tighter parallel,removing 1/2 an inch will do nothing to alter the choke,as I see it it’s either remove all and have true cylinders or as it is now.
From what ive read up multiple times on baikal, barrels were manufactured and then cut to length as per the choke needed. Every 10mm off is a full notch is listed on one post, and choke sizes per length on another.
Regardless, im just trying to check what I have. I will worry about lopping it down for steel in 3 years time if its still about.
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From what ive read up multiple times on baikal, barrels were manufactured and then cut to length as per the choke needed. Every 10mm off is a full notch is listed on one post, and choke sizes per length on another.
Regardless, im just trying to check what I have. I will worry about lopping it down for steel in 3 years time if its still about.
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I personally have never heard of this unique Baikal method,if this is the case the choke must be manufactured with a cone at the muzzle and no parallel section beyond it as is normal. If yours has been altered I assume the bead sight has been refitted further back? Baikals were fairly unique in having chrome lines bores and needed especially hard tools to ream out in the usual way. Being such a basic cheap gun I doubt many would bother touching them.
 

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I personally have never heard of this unique Baikal method,if this is the case the choke must be manufactured with a cone at the muzzle and no parallel section beyond it as is normal. If yours has been altered I assume the bead sight has been refitted further back? Baikals were fairly unique in having chrome lines bores and needed especially hard tools to ream out in the usual way. Being such a basic cheap gun I doubt many would bother touching them.
Like i say, im just going by other posts, seems to be quite common to chop them down as required.
Yes it does look llike the bead has been refitted. But as I said, just trying to find out what the chokes are.
 
I personally have never heard of this unique Baikal method,if this is the case the choke must be manufactured with a cone at the muzzle and no parallel section beyond it as is normal. If yours has been altered I assume the bead sight has been refitted further back? Baikals were fairly unique in having chrome lines bores and needed especially hard tools to ream out in the usual way. Being such a basic cheap gun I doubt many would bother touching them.
The bores do have (or certainly did) a tough chrome coating. Back in the 80s I used to do a lot of choke modifications as many found that their chokes were too tight. Most could be reamed and then honed but the Baikal chrome could not be touched with a HSS reamer and the only way to do these was to grind away the chrome and then proceed as normal. Customers were told in advance what would have to be done but I never heard of the chrome lifting after modification. The ultimate was to pattern the guns with the customers cartridge of choice but this was a time consuming and expensive process so most just had the chokes opened to the nominal size.
I lived in an area which was popular for wildfowling so Baikals were quite popular being cheap and durable although heavy and crude but they did the job well enough.
 
Like i say, im just going by other posts, seems to be quite common to chop them down as required.
Yes it does look llike the bead has been refitted. But as I said, just trying to find out what the chokes are.
Measure the ID at the muzzle.
The chokes have been listed by a member so you will get an idea of what they are.
The only sure way is to pattern the gun with your usual cartridge.
If you pattern with felt/fibre wads the pattern will be denser when using a shotcup.
 
Measure the ID at the muzzle.
The chokes have been listed by a member so you will get an idea of what they are.
The only sure way is to pattern the gun with your usual cartridge.
If you pattern with felt/fibre wads the pattern will be denser when using a shotcup.
I measured the i.d in the very first post.
 
I have read that the true measurement of the choke is not purely the muzzle diameter but the pellet spread when measured at 40 yards (36 metres).
A 30 inch circle should contain the following percentages of the total number of pellets in the cartridge:
True Cylinder 30 - 40%
Improved Cylinder 50%
Improved / (1/4) 55%
Modified / (1/2) 60%
Improved Modified / (3/4) 65%
Full 70 - 75%
Extra Full 75+%

For example, a 12 bore, 7.5, 28 gram load consists of 395, 2.3mm pellets.
Therefore a pattern plate with a 30 inch circle centred around the shot pattern showing 237(ish) pellet strikes would indicate a 1/2 choke. (60% of the total pellets)
It is not unusual to find that different cartridges can produce different patterns that may mean that the barrel is 1/2 with one brand but 1/4 or 3/4 with a different brand.
 
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