Venom thoughts

martin st ledger said:
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Well the hammer price was £1100 so best hope so..

Venom used all sorts over the years in these tunes, you could spec the level etc so it's unlikely there are many exactly the same. I've never seen the holes at the back of the action filled, but have seen the barrel sight pocket plugged and machined flat. Likewise some have standard HW blacking, some have Venom blacking.

Seems to be a number of these threads recently?
 
I once got a hw77 venom from an auction and I paid £250 for it mint, and Im pretty sure it was a proper hw77 it shot sublime and put ten pellets in a hole about 8mm round first time I shot it, but that was a one off, it even had a kasnar scope on it, one piece mount and leather sling.

Sold it like an idiot what would it be worth now ey ££££

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Whats the price of a new 80 nowadays or 97?
If you build up a custom rifle i doubt you will see much difference in price between a venom v mach an a modern build
What s the cost of a reduced hw80 from 30 mm to 25 etc?
Or a glided 97 tune ? Nick simmons, or jeff , or paul short ti set up..
Add into that a custom warren edwards walnut stock...
Cs stocks
A trigger tune ..
Re black or cerakote...
Start adding up all those costs and your not far from a venom, v mach price..
 
crissdee said:
I don't think they had their own springs wound, and a breech seal and a piston washer are stock items. I strongly suspect most of their tuning was polishing and reshaping bits of metal, which would remain the same.
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Very Early rifles had pretty much standard but re worked parts,they then evolved to there own seals and springs(left hand wound,green pistons seals),then again to buttons in pistons, laza glide reduced cylinder tunes on hw80s and glided pistons with rear support rings on hw77s they did pretty much any rifle you handed them and tuned it to the level you wanted or was possible, not to mention the mach1 triggers ken turner had a hand in!

more and more custom work came and went it was constant rolling development,alloy pistons long and short stroke customs stocks (some out sorced?) If you had the money they would build it.
Have you seen the mach1 and mach2? Hand built masterpieces,about as far from standard parts as it is possible to get.

They were pioneering airgun tuning but there has been a lot of development in the many years past since they and mr Pope stopped.
Id love one just from nostalgia point of view but im not paying the price they command unless it has every bit on it they could throw at it and paper work to prove it.
 
crissdee said:
I only really knew them in the early days, 1979 to about '84...
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I wasnt chirping at you as some die hard fan boy buddy, not meant in any bad way at all 👍just listing the small amount of stuff ive learned about them there are many more that know far more about there accomplishments than i.
you are 100% correct in what you said,they just went on much further
 
Mine is a genuine HW 80 Lazaglide. Reduced cylinder diameter to 25mm and the piston riding on button inserts. When the piston washer began to break up I got in touch with Steve Pope who I didn't realise was poorly at the time. He helped me out with a new washer.
 
I had a Lyn Lewington Birmingham BSA Super sport in .177 . tack driver took out dozens of rabbits , stupidly sold it .
 
Triggertime said:
I wasnt chirping at you as some die hard fan boy buddy, not meant in any bad way at all 👍just listing the small amount of stuff ive learned about them there are many more that know far more about there accomplishments than i.
you are 100% correct in what you said,they just went on much further
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No offence taken.... :LOL:
 
I'm as guilty as anyone of having a rose tinted view of what we grew up with;- guns, music, cars, motorbikes, (girls) but, is an old Venom actually anywhere near as good as a new Air Arms TX200 or Prosport or an HW97 with a bit of TBT fettling ?

True, I acknowledge that they were a big step forward at the time but, are we elevating them above what they actually are ?

p.s. I've never shot one or even seen one in the flesh so, I might just be blissful in my ignorance ?
 
Mark E Smith said:
p.s. I've never shot one or even seen one in the flesh so, I might just be blissful in my ignorance ?
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To be honest - neither have most people :oops: , I'd guess that half the "venoms" out there are either fake, or no longer venoms in the sense of the word 🤷‍♂️ I'm sure most were butchered long ago before they became "a thing" in a modern sense 🤷‍♂️

I actually think there are two very distinct sides to this:

Nostalgia driven -

I don't care what it's like, it's a Venom and that's all I care about. (often only substantiated by a sticker :oops:)

Performance and value driven -

It's a silly price, there are better guns for the money and I'd rather spend my readies on one of those.

So is a "genuine" Venom actually better than todays tuned guns? That's a debate were having now, and it's hard to answer it depending what your looking for in the gun, because looking at the two potential owners above, they want and value different things, so to each of them the answer is not only different, but correct for them, so who is to say what a Venom is worth other than the person who is prepared to stump up the money for it?? 🤷‍♂️

I know where I stand on them, but like so many things in life, it's my opinion, and I'm not going to say that's right for everyone, or even right at all, all I can say is it's right for me, and if you believe different then that's ok, the world would be a boring place if we were all little clones 🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️🕴️
 
crissdee said:
If you just replace seals and washers, and replace the spring with the same rated spring, then it's just a serviced Venom, surely?
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No it becomes the airgun equivalent of 'Triggers broom'.
 
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