joe average
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I will be the one to ask , which RFD was it, as I would certainly like to avoid them in future
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That hurts
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To me i would say its first port of call,so the importer should have responsibility of power. Take it back to him to send back etc.
If any legal action is taken why should 1 seller have no come back.
Bowland Blades
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Too keep all airguns sub 12ftlb , the RFD would need to send them out at say 10.5 FtLB ? Still the dealer broke the law in selling it there is an ex RFD not so far away who lost his shop and RFD status for drink driving - Shop closed ! Selling an over power airgun to a none FAC holder ? I doubt it would be taken lightly by the Police !
I certainly do not see drink driving as a little thing but an RFD selling a gun over 12 ftlb Because he hasn't got a chrono to check ? Its pure negligence by the RFD .
Shooters looking for very close to 12ftlb in their airgun need to wise up and get a chronograph themselves . ( air guns change in power as things can change in use rising or dropping)
Personally I just registered one of my airguns as FAC as it was slipping up in power and got fed up of monitoring it and taking it appart as it got near to acting Naughty . Its not the 1980s when the copper might say " i wont breath test you because you might be a bit over " Can you imagine that today ?
Your better off not having the doubt like i say its not the 80s when we had no photo on our licence and most shops would sell kids pellets without question in the main
I certainly do not see drink driving as a little thing but an RFD selling a gun over 12 ftlb Because he hasn't got a chrono to check ? Its pure negligence by the RFD .
Shooters looking for very close to 12ftlb in their airgun need to wise up and get a chronograph themselves . ( air guns change in power as things can change in use rising or dropping)
Personally I just registered one of my airguns as FAC as it was slipping up in power and got fed up of monitoring it and taking it appart as it got near to acting Naughty . Its not the 1980s when the copper might say " i wont breath test you because you might be a bit over " Can you imagine that today ?
Your better off not having the doubt like i say its not the 80s when we had no photo on our licence and most shops would sell kids pellets without question in the main
PistolDan
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He is angry that your comment is correct and he is not angry at you for posting it.
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Lots of other countries have limits but only some have them so low that many of the airguns made need to be detuned .
Wiki has a page with more detail https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gun_laws# but he is a general list.
Its an old list and may have been changes since it was posted.
Note: fpe = Foot Pounds Energy, fps = Feet Per Second
- AUSTRIA – No restrictions in fpe but limit on caliber (FAC req for .25 and above)
- AUSTRALIA– FAC required for everything and anything.
- BELGIUM – No restrictions on rifles
- BRAZIL – No restrictions
- BULGARIA – No restrictions
- CANADA – 500 fps limit without a PAL
- CYPRUS – .177 only (No information on energy levels at this time)
- CZECH REPUBLIC – No restrictions up to 6.35calibree. Above this Police need to be notified.
- DENMARK – No restrictions, but soon will have restrictions imposed due a change in the legislation.
- ESTONIA – No limits in .177, .22 and larger cal FAC required. No hunting with air gun
- FINLAND -There is no muzzle restrictions but anything over .25 calibers requires a license. No hunting with air rifles and all air rifles can be shot in your own garden so long as it is safe .
- FRANCE – 20 Joules. Hunting with an airgun is banned.
- GERMANY – 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
- GREECE – No power or Calibre restriction, Silencers and Scopes are banned by law. Hunting is not allowed.
- HOLLAND – No restrictions – NO look a like’s
- HONG KONG – Max power of 2 Joules without an FAC
- HUNGARY – 6 fpe (7.5 Joules)
- ITALY – 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) must be over 18 to buy, over 10 to shoot it with presence of a parent; >6 fpe you need a f.a.c. and you’ve to declare the purchase to the police. NO Hunting.
- JAPAN – Airguns firing metallic projectiles are considered firearms and require a license for specified use
- LATVIA – 12 Joules
- LITHUANIA – 7.5 Joules (NO hunting allowed)
- LUXEMBOURG – FAC required for everything and anything.
- MALTA – FAC required for everything and anything.
- NEW ZEALAND – PCPs require Firearms License
- NORTHERN IRELAND & EIRE – Airguns or CO2 guns that are in excess of one (1) Joule (0.737 ft/lbf) require to be held on an FAC.
- NORWAY – No restrictions
- PHILIPPINES – No restrictions but all airguns must be registered at the local police office. No license required (formality)
- POLAND – 12.5 fpe (17 Joules) (NO hunting allowed) >17 Joules allowed if gun is registered with police (Formality)
- PORTUGAL – .177 or .22 velocity of 1181 fps Hunting not allowed
- ROMANIA – FAC needed for everything
- RUSSIA – 6 fpe (7.5 Joules) (Unsure of this one)
- SLOVAK REPUBLIC – 11 fpe (15 Joules)
- SLOVENIA -4.5mm power limit 200m/s, for 5.5 it is 20 joule and below 200m/s and for 6.35 it is 20 joule. Hunting forbidden, silencers forbidden.
- SOUTH AFRICA – Below .22 No restrictions on power. .22 and above 7.5J No hunting with airguns, but pest control allowed, no shooting in built up areas. (exceptions for Big Bore when having a hunting license – hunting on larger game)
- SWITZERLAND – Over 18 to purchase. Illegal to hunt with an air rifle. No power limit .
- SPAIN – 18 fpe (24.5 Joules)
- SWEDEN – 7.5 fpe (10 Joules) also maximum velocity of 200m/s. The same for rifles and pistols. Semi or full auto airguns: 3 Joules
- TURKEY – No restrictions
- UNITED KINGDOM – 12 fpe (16 Joules)
- UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – No restrictions (Except New Jersey, Delaware and Michigan) Also numerous restrictions when within City Limits, varies state to state
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Rikard
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I would say what a load of tosh, no time to sell guns ? I’ve never visited a gunshop where a “local” is not chewing the fat with a member of staff
Any decent RFD would offer to check the power prior to you leaving the shop, I’m guessing they don’t like to fit mounts and scope for you either
Sounds like they need a course on customer service
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Tylerjrb
Busy member
Any decent RFD will chrono it. When I sold my rifle they chrono’d it and when I bought mine they chrono’d it just before handing it over. As any sensible person should, how else do you know the gun, seals etc are healthy and in good working order? Literally took them all of about 5 seconds.
Return for a full refund. Theoretically you’re still in a possession of an unlicensed firearm but the police aren’t stupid as a lot of people think.
So to me an RFD offering such a service I would return for a refund and purchase elsewhere.
Return for a full refund. Theoretically you’re still in a possession of an unlicensed firearm but the police aren’t stupid as a lot of people think.
So to me an RFD offering such a service I would return for a refund and purchase elsewhere.
skywest
Super member
Don't know about taking it to a crown court ?, this government wants to have crown courts only dealing with murder and rape cases, anything else is going to be convened by a magistrate only, there given them more powers, to try to get rid of the long back log.Agree completely. Abd if you took it to crown court (after a 3year wait..) I expect the jury would agree. And I would take it to crown if the police chose to be so... difficult.
Just imagine a magistrate dealing with a firearms offence ?, exactly, your convicted the moment the magistrate see,s the word firearm offence.
GrandPA
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I'm not doubting you, it just brought a question to mind, how does the RFD know they are not selling a firearms powered rifle to a none FAC ticket owner
skywest
Super member
The 1
Pity we could not go back to those days, they were truly halcyon.
No need to knock the 1980s they were the last of the great times for all shooting freedoms, and there was no mass spree shootings, like there is now, even with all the new gun regulations endlessly coming out .
Pity we could not go back to those days, they were truly halcyon.
Mad Andy
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Mad Andy
Super member
I'm not doubting you, it just brought a question to mind, how does the RFD know they are not selling a firearms powered rifle to a none FAC ticket owner
It's a good question.
My seem was only due to various anecdotal evidence from reading posts on the AGF
Mad Andy
Super member
Thanks
I wonder what laws they have in place to punish those whose guns are over the limit, and if there's the same amount of
Bang on pal
Yeah yeah that line might of worked with the missus but you can't fool us here....
Cannon Fodder
Super member
Last time I bought a gun from a RFD the bloke did take it in the back and test it worked,he didn't say he was chrono'ing it and when I got it home it only doing about 7fpe , so maybe he did and was just checking it was legal and didn't mention it (it was a very cheap quite rough old Diana 38 so I was aware it'd probably need work).
How many different pellets would you have expected the RFD to try though? I've seen a swing of 2fpe when testing different pellets in my XS79 hpa frankenrifle.
How many different pellets would you have expected the RFD to try though? I've seen a swing of 2fpe when testing different pellets in my XS79 hpa frankenrifle.
SJC
Super member
Recon it’s a difficult one to prove that’s it the fault of the RFD
You posses it over the odds balls in your court.
Your car passes an MOT it’s passed at the time of the test.
Go home put 4 bald tyres on
You posses it over the odds balls in your court.
Your car passes an MOT it’s passed at the time of the test.
Go home put 4 bald tyres on
Hungerford 1987.