More about the new 20 mm solid barrels from FX Airguns

JimJamJimmyJimmer said:
Or, and hear me out on this, they just use a normal barrel like absolutely every other company on the planet.
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Kind of.

The difference is that here the barrel consists of a liner (pressed from the outside) inserted into barrel and bonded to it. The barrel is unusualy large with 20 mm diameter.

A typical conventional barrel for a PCP is a one piece rod, drilled to a tube and drawn with a mandrel to create lands. Those barrels is usually 10-15 mm diameter.
 
JohnnySweden said:
They want to create their own barrels, not just buy some other makers product on the open market, like minor actors in the business does.
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Why don’t they then? What about Schultz and Larsen in denmark? Fx make some weird excise for a barrel when a barrel should be errr a barrel like everyone else 🤣
 
JohnnySweden said:
Kind of.

The difference is that here the barrel consists of a liner (pressed from the outside) inserted into barrel and bonded to it. The barrel is unusualy large with 20 mm diameter.

A typical conventional barrel for a PCP is a one piece rod, drilled to a tube and drawn with a mandrel to create lands. Those barrels is usually 10-15 mm diameter.
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But what is the advantage? Heavy barrels are great on GPMGs and .338 Lapua Magnum sniper rifles, but a bit pointless on an air rifle...
 
Navarone said:
Why don’t they then? What about Schultz and Larsen in denmark? Fx make some weird excise for a barrel when a barrel should be errr a barrel like everyone else 🤣
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FX Airguns don't make guns the same way as anybody else. It one wants a parts bin rifle assembled by LW barrel, Minnelli stocks etc, there are other brands to choose from. Pick one. 🙂
 
Marmite said:
But they can’t make better, although they charge for it!

Sub 12 of course.
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Well, it's a free market. If FX choice of barrel feels expensive the law of economics states buyers will choose other brands and FX sales will fall.

Now, sales is strong and the company is growing so it doesn't feel to me as they are loosing customers due to their products.
 
JimJamJimmyJimmer said:
But what is the advantage? Heavy barrels are great on GPMGs and .338 Lapua Magnum sniper rifles, but a bit pointless on an air rifle...
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I agree. Unfortunately I have not gotten any explanation of this choice and it puzzles me.

A bonded one piece barrel, I can't understand this. Customers demand it, I have one, it's great, I can't blame them.

But why this huge heavy lump of metal at a grotesque 20 mm??

I don't know.

It seems odd, only reason might be to choke complaints about barrel flex or feeble barrel inletting in the block using just tiny set screws.

But to be honest, that solution works perfectly for all other makers.
 
azz1985 said:
I'm sure they are working on something!

I day dream my days away at work and that's the sort of thing that I think about 😆 definitely can be done 🤔 from a mass production and profitable standpoint tho that's another question and will be the thing that will make is a yay or a nay.

atb
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Look what I’ve just found, no need to wait any longer my friend 👍

 
JohnnySweden said:
It won't.

The new bull barrel is threaded into the block and the Impact lacks threads.

I don't believe the Impact is a flagship rifle, it's a halo product, a showcase of technology aimed to someone who loves to tinker and tune airguns, it's also an 11 year old design and thus a mirror of the technology of it's era, more than a decade back. I'm not sure about how long they will having it running..

The Panthera is a newer generation and the core of the slug shooting higher power product line, were the DRS series is the low power pellet shooting equivalent.
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I just posted the video about the new impact solid barrels 👍

Also not sure what you’ve been smoking, but the impact has always been & still is FX’s flagship rifle & by far their best seller, it’s now on the 4th gen with the M4 and has outlived all other models. A simple google will tell you this. It’s not going anywhere my friend far far from it.
 

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I have slightly mixed view about this, first excitement, then disappointment at the lack of Impact availability, then excitement again that it was an option, followed by disappointment that it’s just a solid sleeve for the liner kits, and not actually a true solid barrel. If I was going to fix my FX, it would be using an actual solid barrel from one of the usual and proven sources on here.
 
ThePerfectionist said:
I just posted the video about the new impact solid barrels 👍

Also not sure what you’ve been smoking, but the impact has always been & still is FX’s flagship rifle & by far their best seller, it’s now on the 4th gen with the M4 and has outlived all other models. A simple google will tell you this. It’s not going anywhere my friend far far from it.
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Seems like they have presented a retrofit kit for the Impact too. That's good.

The Impact lineup is, as you state, a solid seller.

But being a solid seller don't equal to a flagship model.

The Citroen 2CV was a masterpiece of ingenuity and technical achievement besides being a top seller for Citroen - but hardly a flagship model, as was the DS/SM.

The downside of making products ahead of it's time is that they by sales survive longer than the producer want, again 2CV compared to its successors AMI/Dyane.

If the Impact was launched today, it would have been designed in a total different way, even dispite it's been evolved trough different Mks (Impact, Impact X, M3 and M4).
 
Avalon said:
I have slightly mixed view about this, first excitement, then disappointment at the lack of Impact availability, then excitement again that it was an option, followed by disappointment that it’s just a solid sleeve for the liner kits, and not actually a true solid barrel. If I was going to fix my FX, it would be using an actual solid barrel from one of the usual and proven sources on here.
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So Is my Crown MKll an exception, are FX rifles generally that bad for consistency (grouping) and let down by the barrel liners ?
 
JohnnySweden said:
Seems like they have presented a retrofit kit for the Impact too. That's good.

The Impact lineup is, as you state, a solid seller.

But being a solid seller don't equal to a flagship model.

The Citroen 2CV was a masterpiece of ingenuity and technical achievement besides being a top seller for Citroen - but hardly a flagship model, as was the DS/SM.

The downside of making products ahead of it's time is that they by sales survive longer than the producer want, again 2CV compared to its successors AMI/Dyane.

If the Impact was launched today, it would have been designed in a total different way, even dispite it's been evolved trough different Mks (Impact, Impact X, M3 and M4).
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Don't believe that's true tbh mate.

The dynamic is a evolution of the royale then crown. The impact was designed from the ground up to be a bullpup like no other.

Not seen anything with a high capacity magazine with a spilt block design plus valve running though the length of the gun ever and imo it's design is unique and ahead of its time.

The impact is the flagship aka the top model in their line imo and although not equal in terms of delivering the power per size of barrel "efficiency" of the dynamic and drs with the current valving, the overall aftermarket support and popularity means it's here to stay.

The king could be the flagship model but it just isn't even when the king mk2 is released, the leopard could be too but again it isn't.

I dare say we will see another mk of impact before too long and I can't see it getting discontinued before the evolution of it.
 
😂😂 so far they have managed to sell a carbon stiffener, carbon shroud, barrel tuners, carbon barrel tensioners, barrel clamps, then we have the backbone rail and all the other rails to stiffen up the chassis and now an almost solid barrel 😂 i recon the the M5 might actually get a solid barrel from the factory 🤔 😂😂
 
Blueroll said:
So Is my Crown MKll an exception, are FX rifles generally that bad for consistency (grouping) and let down by the barrel liners ?
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Liner quality can and does vary, I own two FX’s, one is accurate, the other less so. The FX factory tour on YouTube highlights the hand made nature of the liner. In simple terms, you can’t argue with physics, and the liners are at a disadvantage to a wood barrel in that respect.
 
Avalon said:
Liner quality can and does vary, I own two FX’s, one is accurate, the other less so. The FX factory tour on YouTube highlights the hand made nature of the liner. In simple terms, you can’t argue with physics, and the liners are at a disadvantage to a wood barrel in that respect.
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I hope my new King .25 Fac is a good one then.
 
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