Using RFD to RFD for sub 12 rifle

[Buglecall]

For the guys asking why not use PF its easier,here is my reason AND a question to you.
Insurance only upto £150 my rifle sale price £950
From the 2 asking would i consider PF , when i said yes IF they are willing to accept the loss if any issue,they was not.
I am not willing to take the chance any any flak or threats if that does arise.
now the question,have any of you guys sent or received rifles using PF, if so who took the responsibilty?
Only bought one rifle here which i collected 2hr drive AND sold one rifle as was bought and collected from a member fairly close.

 

[Bighit]

For the guys asking why not use PF its easier,here is my reason AND a question to you.
Insurance only upto £150 my rifle sale price £950
From the 2 asking would i consider PF , when i said yes IF they are willing to accept the loss if any issue,they was not.
I am not willing to take the chance any any flak or threats if that does arise.
now the question,have any of you guys sent or received rifles using PF, if so who took the responsibilty?
Only bought one rifle here which i collected 2hr drive AND sold one rifle as was bought and collected from a member fairly close.

From the sales rules.

'At buyer's risk' is not accepted within a sales post. The seller is responsible for packages sent. It is only a seller who can make a claim for lost or damaged items.
If you are not prepared to take responsibility for a parcel and it's full value, do not offer postage. You are posting at your risk.

Its on the seller so if they don't want the risk then they don't offer PF unless they go with Royal Mail Specially Delivery which offers more but you have to meet their packaging criteria.









You need to fully read their terms though as they have exclusions.






You could go to Sercusus and ask if they will insure it .

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Secursus' parcel insurance is the easiest way to insure your valuable parcels up to £90,000. Protect your high value items from loss, theft and damage.

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Secursus offers a high-value parcel insurance service that cannot be combined with other insurance purchased from a carrier such as your local post office or FedEx. However, if your carrier offers you compensation for your lost or damaged parcel, our service will pay the difference so you can be fully compensated. Therefore, it is pointless for you to take it out. Compared to the protection solutions offered by carriers, choosing Secursus will always provide better support and protection than opting for a Royal Mail insurance, for example.


4.3. THE FOLLOWING, GIVEN THEIR NATURE, ARE NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PARCEL INSURANCE:

• WEAPONS AND AIR GUNS (UNLESS APPROVED BY SECURSUS IN WRITING)

 

[Buglecall]

From the sales rules.

'At buyer's risk' is not accepted within a sales post. The seller is responsible for packages sent. It is only a seller who can make a claim for lost or damaged items.
If you are not prepared to take responsibility for a parcel and it's full value, do not offer postage. You are posting at your risk.

Its on the seller so if they don't want the risk then they don't offer PF unless they go with Royal Mail Specially Delivery which offers more but you have to meet their packaging criteria.

Yo could go to Sercusus and ask if they will insure it .

Online Parcel Insurance – Save up to 70% | Secursus

Secursus' parcel insurance is the easiest way to insure your valuable parcels up to £90,000. Protect your high value items from loss, theft and damage.

www.secursus.com

Secursus offers a high-value parcel insurance service that cannot be combined with other insurance purchased from a carrier such as your local post office or FedEx. However, if your carrier offers you compensation for your lost or damaged parcel, our service will pay the difference so you can be fully compensated. Therefore, it is pointless for you to take it out. Compared to the protection solutions offered by carriers, choosing Secursus will always provide better support and protection than opting for a Royal Mail insurance, for example.


4.3. THE FOLLOWING, GIVEN THEIR NATURE, ARE NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE PARCEL INSURANCE:

• WEAPONS AND AIR GUNS (UNLESS APPROVED BY SECURSUS IN WRITING)

Thanks,pretty much thought that,thats why i am doing collection only BUT have seen some posts with sellers saying otherwise on sale.
Will stick with collection,looks like RFD is not plain sailing

 

[Bighit]

Thanks,pretty much thought that,thats why i am doing collection only BUT have seen some posts with sellers saying otherwise on sale.
Will stick with collection,looks like RFD is not plain sailing

The new rules has been in place for a while now so it may still show in older ad's in the graveyard for example. If you have seen it recently then the Mods have not been made aware of it.

You have Royal Mail Special Delivery that can be enhanced up to £2500 and I have had it confirmed they allow it to cover airguns as I posted in the edited post above . You need to meet their packaging criteria though and follow it to the letter .

https://www.royalmail.com/retail-compensation-policy-damage#Exclusions

Compensation for damage or part loss will not be payable:

9. where the item is not packaged in accordance with the requirements of the relevant schemes made under the Postal Services Act, including but not confined to:

• where anything enclosed in the letter is not well protected against damage
• where a breakable item has not been packed in a strong container with enough packaging material to protect the item against pressure and knocks, and where the item has not been marked with the words “FRAGILE HANDLE WITH CARE” in capital letters on the cover or envelope above the address,
• where an item that may be damaged by bending is not packed in a strong container that will prevent the item from being bent , and marked with the words “DO NOT BEND” on the cover or envelope above the address;
• where a letter contains an item that is likely to perish or decay, the letter is not marked with the word ‘PERISHABLE’ in capital letters on the cover or envelope above the address;
• where restricted items are not packed in accordance with further published packaging requirements;
• where the packaging does not comply with any other information published in paper or electronic form by the Royal Mail on packing.

Many send items that are poorly packed and then kick up a fuss . Some have airguns wrapped in bin bags and sent to them .

 

[Bowland Blades]

Why are you using an RFD i usually just post it parcel force 48 or even 24 as it is tracked, if asked what is in it I tell them sporting goods. Never had an issue and you can also insure it if you want.

Then your risking your right to hold firearms ! and that surprises me as you need a licence to even own airguns without a licence .

 

[Mjd]

Ask the RFDs what each one wants you to do - then do that!

Personally, for 2nd hand sales between private owners, as it's 100% legal to mail directly to the buyer, that's what I tend to do.
Saves 2 extra layers of bureaucracy/administration and expense plus it's usually faster.

I take it that it would be fully insured with the RFD?, I don't think it is if you do it yourself but could be wrong. Mjd.

 

[duracellAA]

Going by RFD can have the insurance enhanced. Last time I got a quote it was £25 for upto £250 value and £45 for upto £2500 but that was years ago.

There is Secursus who do insurance and cover airguns at their discretion . https://www.secursus.com/en-gb/

You would need to follow their trerms and the couriers terms to the letter and some won't do it as they claim putting fragile for example is an open invitation to have the item thrown about .

I know there was a company that insured it, but could not remember the name or where I read it.

 

[Manchester]

I thought rifles were fully covered when RFD shipped. After reading the posts on this thread it looks like there not. Im wanting to buy a rife that would need to be sent RFD is there anyway to make sure it would be covered.

 

[Bighit]

I thought rifles were fully covered when RFD shipped. After reading the posts on this thread it looks like there not. Im wanting to buy a rife that would need to be sent RFD is there anyway to make sure it would be covered.

The RFD will have a certain amount of cover but they can enhance it but you will pay more.

One i asked a few years back. I got the figures mixed up earlier in my other posts.

 

[Christoph1945]

Perhaps drive and collect is becoming more attractive by the day, but then you could be in a strange town/city with whole choke a horse bankroll in yer hip pocket.

 

[Mark Newbie]

My local rfd charges £25 for them and then £25 for the postage, the rifle has to be in a case not a bag, not sure if then the receiving rfd would also charge a fee

Yes. You get charged at both ends. I bought a rifle from an RFD in Leeds and I hunted around for a local RFD to receive it. One of them, as the rifle was new, wanted to charge me £50 as I didn't buy it from him. I ended up paying £30 to an RFD at Bisley.

 

[Sarge]

You wanted an RFD you didn't use to receive it and not charge?
Receiving as an RFD is a pain in the ass, takes time before it is even shipped, and don't start to add up how much has to be spent before they are even allowed to become and stay an RFD with a shop, staff, insurance, other overheads, etc.
Sometimes the high price shows you how much the job is wanted by them more than a representative amount it actually costs.

 

[Sarge]

I thought rifles were fully covered when RFD shipped. After reading the posts on this thread it looks like there not. Im wanting to buy a rife that would need to be sent RFD is there anyway to make sure it would be covered.

My business insurance covers firearms and other goods in transit via our own vehicles or a delivery service to a good amount that I can't remember exactly just now (I'm on holiday), but the value is more than enough to cover a good selection of very expensive guns, so more than enough.

 

[Flinty]

I don't have a business, so I can't log on and I can't get a screenshot to work, but it looks very much like it would cost an RFD if his business insurance did not provide cover, like @Sarge just for PF48 costs to cover up to
£500 cost £28.25 £750 cost £41.75 £1000 cost £50.
Not being logged on, I can't guarantee these, but that's what I got when I entered the parcel size and value.
So check with the RFD what he is providing

 

[Sarge]

The last shipment I sent (not the missing one, that's coming to me), going to the People's Republic Of Scotland, cost just over £55! That's just PF's charges and nothing else.

I haven't sent for a while and the increase is crazy.
Earlier in the year is was around £35 per shipment.

 

[Mark II]

Ask the RFDs what each one wants you to do - then do that!

Personally, for 2nd hand sales between private owners, as it's 100% legal to mail directly to the buyer, that's what I tend to do.
Saves 2 extra layers of bureaucracy/administration and expense plus it's usually faster.

Exactly