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FDA has recently made a 180-degree turn in regards to dietary cholesterol. After decades of claiming eating cholesterol gives you heart attacks, now the FDA says that at best it does not matter. This study found that people with the lowest LDL had the highest mortality from CVD. Quite the opposite of what the "cholesterol hypothesis" stated should happen. It also conclude that the benefits of statins have been highly exagerrated. I think the word "exaggerated" is simply a euphemism for manipulated or faked, as official studies have to find a way to phrase the accusations in a more palatable manner.
So, it seems logical that if somebody has heart disease they should be increasing their cholesterol rather than lowering it
 
I was diagnosed with high cholesterol and prescribed statins in 2023, I had horrendous side effects, eg: severe muscle aches in all joints.
At one point I could barely walk up the stairs, could not get in/out of the bath, had trouble getting into the car, and I was seriously considering asking for a wheelchair it got so bad!
They tried me on three different statins, and none were better, so eventually , with Dr's agreement, I stopped taking them. It took me six months after stopping to get back to anything like normal mobility!
Even now, well over a year after I stopped taking them, I am still not back to where I was pre statins, eg: still get aching knees, which I never had pre statins?
I will never take another statin ever again personally.

Cholesterol can be interpreted in many ways.
Just looking at the HDL (or LDL) cholesterol on their own, (as many HCP's do) is less useful as a health marker than the ratio.
HDL is generally considered the "good" cholesterol and LDL is generally considered the "bad" cholesterol.
TC is total cholesterol.
The ratio they generally look for is TC: HDL of less than 4 (ideally) .
 
Statins also are possibly also linked to an increase in dementia.
I've stop believing most of the old government health advice, I eat eggs, butter, steak without guilt.
Even the 'food pyramid' turns out to be a sales mechanism rather than something aimed at health.
I won't eat margarine, most sweeteners, or many carbs, sugar is as addictive as cocaine but we get our kids on it from the start.
We are encouraged to eat rubbish, (perhaps) because it profits the food industry, and cuts down on pension claims.
 
I too had been put on a statin,the first trial made me ill with stomach cramps,dizziness and rampant diarrhea so i could not tolerate this one.They then gave me a second statin to try and had extreme lethargy,muscle aches,stiff sore legs and inability to sleep so i have now refused to try anything further to do with any statin and even after this 3 months on these two drugs my levels are unchanged and the nurse now told me i was borderline wether i needed them anyway.so for me its never again.
 
Since being diagnosed Diabetic couple of years ago, I mainly stick to a low carb, high protein, low call diet, and eat lots of fish, poultry, nuts, veg, salads, eggs, meats, and if I eat fat I eat natural fats, not low fat ones with loads of additives. I also avoid ready meals and anything with loads of ingredients, additives, E numbers, chemicals, etc and any that has been ultra high processed.
My weight has gone down, I have lost inches off my waist, I am now off diabetic drugs, my cholesterol has gone down and I feel so much better. The various previous Govt's general health advice to follow a diet of mainly carbs, and low fat stuff, rape seed, marjorine, etc, etc (all usually highly processed) , is slowly being proved wrong more and more and I agree with @OldStock and his comments above.....
 
Me too. Been on a keto diet for nearly 4 years after a diabetic diagnosis. Lost two stone and never felt better. Read a lot into this and realise the narrative is changing, but has been driven by the food industry and pharma who benefit greatly on feeding us junk and giving us costly drugs with little or no benefit.
 
I've twice had GPs ring me up out of the blue and want to talk about putting me on statins. Apparently where I live is a factor in predicting whether I will have heart issues and could therefore benefit from taking statins. Here in East Cornwall it's not a place of high wages and palatial mansions, so that apparent deprivation implies we all have a poor diet. I'm a man, not a woman, so that adds a factor. My BMI is 26 so I'm not a lean streak. All my blood tests show cholesterol and blood sugar within the norms for my age. I had an uncle on my mother's side die from a heart attack aged 54, that counts against me.

Do you realise, one GP said, the chance of you presenting with some kind of heart condition in the next ten years is 27 percent? OK in round numbers that means 3 out of 4 that I won't.

You ought to consider taking statins for the rest of your life. OK so what does that do to my risk factor? Give me a moment, I haven't worked that out. You mean to say you rang me to promote statins and you don't know the benefit? Yes, the computer says your risk factor has dropped to 24 percent.

I can't believe you rang me with the thinnest argument to put me on statins I could imagine. No thanks.
 
nobby said:
I've twice had GPs ring me up out of the blue and want to talk about putting me on statins. Apparently where I live is a factor in predicting whether I will have heart issues and could therefore benefit from taking statins. Here in East Cornwall it's not a place of high wages and palatial mansions, so that apparent deprivation implies we all have a poor diet. I'm a man, not a woman, so that adds a factor. My BMI is 26 so I'm not a lean streak. All my blood tests show cholesterol and blood sugar within the norms for my age. I had an uncle on my mother's side die from a heart attack aged 54, that counts against me.

Do you realise, one GP said, the chance of you presenting with some kind of heart condition in the next ten years is 27 percent? OK in round numbers that means 3 out of 4 that I won't.

You ought to consider taking statins for the rest of your life. OK so what does that do to my risk factor? Give me a moment, I haven't worked that out. You mean to say you rang me to promote statins and you don't know the benefit? Yes, the computer says your risk factor has dropped to 24 percent.

I can't believe you rang me with the thinnest argument to put me on statins I could imagine. No thanks.
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He was probably making notes on a pad, and pen supplied by the manufacturer to the Statin he was recommending.
 
Let's be aware that the dispensary gets paid an amount per item dispensed, it used to be about £1.28 per item when the first of these calls took place, that was about eight years ago. So a new scrip for a medicine taken daily was worth 13 times £1.28 per year. If the GP practice has its own dispensary it keeps that money, otherwise it goes to Boots or whoever does the dispensing. Now multiply that by say 10,000 patients on the roll and there is an incentive that goes beyond the free pen and the free pad.
 
nobby said:
Let's be aware that the dispensary gets paid an amount per item dispensed, it used to be about £1.28 per item when the first of these calls took place, that was about eight years ago. So a new scrip for a medicine taken daily was worth 13 times £1.28 per year. If the GP practice has its own dispensary it keeps that money, otherwise it goes to Boots or whoever does the dispensing. Now multiply that by say 10,000 patients on the roll and there is an incentive that goes beyond the free pen and the free pad.
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That was my point, the pen/pad thing was just a tool to illustrate why he favours one particular brand.
I did read that in the US, if doctors get at 70% of their patients to take a particular 'treatment', they get a large bonus, that is why they can get quite excited about a parent declining a shot for little johnny.

I sickly person is a tonic to the doctor.
 
Evidence seems very contradictory. I had a Bypass 5 years ago. Its hard to ignore when the surgeon says you need statins but I'm not keen. Dr's seem to take a better safe than sorry approach. They cost very little to make......
 
Porker said:
Me too. Been on a keto diet for nearly 4 years after a diabetic diagnosis. Lost two stone and never felt better. Read a lot into this and realise the narrative is changing, but has been driven by the food industry and pharma who benefit greatly on feeding us junk and giving us costly drugs with little or no benefit.
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Keto is brilliant. In the USA it is known as the chloresterol cheat. Whenever I have a blood test (I have tended to get pre diabetic as I have aged) I make sure that I do keto strictly for the best part of a week beforehand. I still take very low dose statins, I got the GP to agree to halve the strength, then halve it again based on the results of a series of blood tests.

Carbohydrates are the killer foods, as they all get converted to sugar. On the other hand, keto is based on fats and fibre, tasty, filling and good for you. Butter, cream, cheese are all OK.
 
nobby said:
Cholesterol is the body's repair agent. The liver makes it. What you eat has little impact on your cholesterol level.
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You are correct, chloresterol is in every cell in our bodies, and as you say, plays a vital role in the healing process. However, following a keto diet definitely lowers the bad chloresterol compared to a “normal” mixed diet.
 
I've had high cholesterol results for many years, but they always say high, not which one is high, the good one or the bad one.
I tried statins many years ago and came off them because of the side effects. Well at my last 'review' bloods tests etc, again up comes the 'your cholesterol is high' and you ought to take statins as this can prevent this and that.
Well my brother-in-law had a heart attack not long ago and he's younger than me (66) by four years, yes he smoked but generally I would say he was fitter than me.
Well they told me that statins had come on a lot and the side effects are very low now, well on them I went, and two months in I didn't seem to feel any side effects as previous, all good I though. Just lately though I've been getting light headiness, headaches, cramps and muscle weakness. Back to the doctors and as I have very bad arthritis and disc degeneration a scan was arranged and I'm awaiting the results and a doctors appointment
After reading this thread I'm not sure if it is the statins after all :unsure:
 
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