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Just a little test with the new Pard night stalker EX 4 K and alpex 4k ( don't get too excited )

shotaholic said:
I have to say I'm on the verge of sending mine back also, depending on what Ian (@Blackwood Outdoors ) comes back with from his conversations with Pard. I've not experienced the problems you have, but mine simply refuses to record the shot regardless as to what the recoil level is set to in the recoil record menu. It will record the footage up to the shot but not the actual shot itself which is pretty pointless in my opinion. Also my cant indicator is showing 6 degrees of cant when the scope is level.
I zeroed my mates .243 the other day fitted with his Alpex 4k and subsequently zeroed my .223 with my Pard Night Stalker 4k Ex fitted and there is no doubt in my mind that the view through the Pard viewfinder is superior, but I think that has possibly more to do with the size of the much larger viewfinder in the Pard than anything else. The Pard also seems to have more contrast than the Alpex out of the box, but the contrast is adjustable in the Alpex whereas it isn't in the Pard. The other thing I find annoying with the Pard is the absence of an Auto Record option whereby when enabled the scope records the moment it's turn on (doesn't record when asleep). Even the DS35's have this option. I'm also at a loss as to why the scope has two ballistic calculators. I have a suspicion most folk will simply use the auto version whereby you just enter all the relevant data and the scope does the rest. I can't see many, if anybody, shooting to loads of various distances, measuring the bullet drop and then entering that into the calculator which, unless I've misunderstood how it works, that's exactly what you would need to do with the 'other' ballistic calculator. Unfortunately there is no user manual with the scope so it's all a bit guesswork. I've never been overly impressed with the software or quality control in any of the Pard night vision scopes (or addon for that matter), but I was hoping Pard may have upped there game with the Night Stalker 4k Ex. Not looking too promising at the moment.
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The other ballistic calculator is a manual one , its purpose is if you dont have the LRF module on top or it stops working for some reason you can use a separate range finder , get your distance and dial it in.

My one did stop recording of its own doing , in fact now i think about it done it a couple of time .
The main problem i had was i got all set up with all my ballistic data in , it was ranging ok and was shooting steels out to 100m - 350 m with no problem as well . Then after about 30 mins it just crashed all data lost and went back to default mode so i had to enter it all in again , same thing happened again all set up , data all in and seemed ok then half hr later same thing again thing crash , back into default mode , after the third time of this happening i just left it in default and took it off . I'd had enough buy then .
and then theres the dirt inside the lens , think its actually mobile and rattling around on the back of the objective . Either way its f-- ing annoy as it was going up and down the screen as you changed the mag .


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Forgot to say just before the last time it crash and went back to default it started to display " out of range " when i press the LRF button about 70% of the time at differnt distances , so i would try to range at 50 yard and would say out of range , at 100 yrd fine , the back at 50 yrds fine then it would say out of range again .


Also the sound quality is dire . You can hardy hear anything , at the very end of that clip i said .... Very annoying i had the scope to my eye so my mouth was a few inches from the mic .
 
One on top of two said:
Forgot to say just before the last time it crash and went back to default it started to display " out of range " when i press the LRF button about 70% of the time at differnt distances , so i would try to range at 50 yard and would say out of range , at 100 yrd fine , the back at 50 yrds fine then it would say out of range again .
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Well thanks for testing the scope for us all ! 😆👍😊
 
SHW said:
Well thanks for testing the scope for us all ! 😆👍😊
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Hey no problem 👍

My verdict is its safe to say the scope did not meet my expectations and didn't live upto the hype pard had given it .
If i had seen it in a shop and looked through it in propper daylight . I would have put it down and left it.
 
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One on top of two said:
Hey no problem 👍

My verdict is its safe to say the scope did not meet my expectations and didn't live upto the hype pard had given it .
If i had seen it in a shop and looked through it in propper daylight . I would have put it down and left it.
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Fair play for putting your money where your mouth is. I did the same when bought my Alpex 4k and will do the same with the Nocpix. If it's not up to the job I won't be afraid to say and will buy another Hik
 
One on top of two said:
The other ballistic calculator is a manual one , its purpose is if you dont have the LRF module on top or it stops working for some reason you can use a separate range finder , get your distance and dial it in.

My one did stop recording of its own doing , in fact now i think about it done it a couple of time .
The main problem i had was i got all set up with all my ballistic data in , it was ranging ok and was shooting steels out to 100m - 350 m with no problem as well . Then after about 30 mins it just crashed all data lost and went back to default mode so i had to enter it all in again , same thing happened again all set up , data all in and seemed ok then half hr later same thing again thing crash , back into default mode , after the third time of this happening i just left it in default and took it off . I'd had enough buy then .
and then theres the dirt inside the lens , think its actually mobile and rattling around on the back of the objective . Either way its f-- ing annoy as it was going up and down the screen as you changed the mag .


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Thanks for the @One on top of two . I hadn't considered the scope without an rf module. As I said earlier, I was hoping Pard had upped their game both with their software and quality control issues, but obviously not. Two of my five DS35's had to go back for dirt floating about in the view finder and the other three had to go back for various other issues (one range finder not working, one ir not working properly and one wouldn't switch to colour). One of them still only switches on when it feels like it! I find it incredible that after all the experience Pard must now have with night vision they can't produce a quality scope which just works as intended. It's a shame as the 4K Ex could be a very good scope. True mine doesn't have the issues yours had (yet), but I've only used mine for foxing so probably not had amount of the use that yours had. Thanks for the pics and videos.
 
Bugger well that’s put me
Right off! Don’t know what to get for my .17 now!
 
shotaholic said:
Thanks for the @One on top of two . I hadn't considered the scope without an rf module. As I said earlier, I was hoping Pard had upped their game both with their software and quality control issues, but obviously not. Two of my five DS35's had to go back for dirt floating about in the view finder and the other three had to go back for various other issues (one range finder not working, one ir not working properly and one wouldn't switch to colour). One of them still only switches on when it feels like it! I find it incredible that after all the experience Pard must now have with night vision they can't produce a quality scope which just works as intended. It's a shame as the 4K Ex could be a very good scope. True mine doesn't have the issues yours had (yet), but I've only used mine for foxing so probably not had amount of the use that yours had. Thanks for the pics and videos.
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Mine had only 3 hrs max total use in daylight on sat . Apart from that it was at night out the in-laws back window on the tuesday night last week when i first got it .
 
Sorry aint read all the thread ................But go thermal pal
 
coz said:
Sorry aint read all the thread ................But go thermal pal
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Unless you're using a high end thermal scope target identification can be just too difficult in a hunting environment - unless you're talking relatively close range stuff. Personally I find a thermal spotter and gun fitted nv scope to be the best option. Even using my Pulsar XG35lrf it can be difficult to positively identify an animal over 150 yards away. This is especially true in high humidity conditions
 
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I do use thermal hikmicro condor V2 640x540 15NETD spotter , and ive had high end thermal scopes .
The problem is shots beyond 200 yrds, you have to walk over and have a look just to make sure its a fox and not someones dog !
Great at detecting , not so at ID .
Thermals are Fantastic , i love them but they have some serious limitations in use .
 
shotaholic said:
Unless you're using a high end thermal scope target identification can be just too difficult in a hunting environment - unless you're talking relatively close range stuff. Personally I find a thermal spotter and gun fitted nv scope to be the best option. Even using my Pulsar XG35lrf it can be difficult to positively identify an animal over 150 yards away. This is especially true in high humidity conditions
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shotaholic said:
Unless you're using a high end thermal scope target identification can be just too difficult in a hunting environment - unless you're talking relatively close range stuff. Personally I find a thermal spotter and gun fitted nv scope to be the best option. Even using my Pulsar XG35lrf it can be difficult to positively identify an animal over 150 yards away. This is especially true in high humidity conditions
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I (too) think NV, augmented by a thermal spotter is the way, (until visual spectrum eyeshine, can be presented in the thermal image).

Thermal works in some situations, but in the UK, especially close to habitation that adds time to everything.
The colour of eyeshine, and the movement is lost in a monotone outline.
Even with high resolution thermal, it is slower to double check than NV.

On lowly airguns, as I found, a small heat signature is hard to identify, and I have lost time waiting for a more identifiable outline, to make sure I'm not looking at something else, like a cat seen through a rat sized gap. If I was on a tiny island with only vermin, thermal would be quick, but I'm not, I'm close enough to houses that pets are often seen.

Back to the subject, I think the companies are fighting for market share, and not taking enough time ironing out the faults.
There is some belief that the resolution of NV needs to follow TV's I think that is wrong, I would want a decent image, no more than 2k at best, but with the best image tonal quality and light gathering.
There is little point having a new 4,6,8k (on paper) scope if the image does present the eye with usable information, and the light gathering is less efficient.
 
Well i won't be now buying the new Pard that is a fact. I will await the 4k zulus
 
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