Caliber+gun 100 yard, sub 1 inch recommendation

[sb1]

Hi I am looking at ideas for a 100 yard gun with a view to 150 for mainly rabbits but possibly other quarry.

I am most interested in a caliber and brand that gives the best groups at this range and the least wind drift.

I have looked into FAC air (fx king and daystate blackwolf or other wolves)

I have looked into tikka tx1 (.22lr and .17hmr)

I haven't looked much at .22wmr, .222 etc but would be interested to know reccomendations.

I'm interested in harvesting some rabbits for meat but want the tightest groups and best windage, so please reccomend.
Thanks sam

 

[chouchin66]

Hi I am looking at ideas for a 100 yard gun with a view to 150 for mainly rabbits but possibly other quarry.

I am most interested in a caliber and brand that gives the best groups at this range and the least wind drift.

I have looked into FAC air (fx king and daystate blackwolf or other wolves)

I have looked into tikka tx1 (.22lr and .17hmr)

I haven't looked much at .22wmr, .222 etc but would be interested to know reccomendations.

I'm interested in harvesting some rabbits for meat but want the tightest groups and best windage, so please reccomend.
Thanks sam

You' ll garner a lot of opinions - here's mine. Skip .22 L.R . it's a maximum 75 yard gun. A.22 WMR will get you 125 yards, a .17 HMR 150 yards. Forget CF rifles. Your MOA will be as conditions dictate, your ammo/ rifle match & of course, your ability as a shooter. My question is, is your fieldcraft ( or lack of) the reason for such long range aspirations ? One shouldn' t have much trouble " meat hunting" , getting into sub 12# airgun range - folks been doing it for decades.

 

[Shultz & Larsen]

Hi I am looking at ideas for a 100 yard gun with a view to 150 for mainly rabbits but possibly other quarry.

I am most interested in a caliber and brand that gives the best groups at this range and the least wind drift.

I have looked into FAC air (fx king and daystate blackwolf or other wolves)

I have looked into tikka tx1 (.22lr and .17hmr)

I haven't looked much at .22wmr, .222 etc but would be interested to know reccomendations.

I'm interested in harvesting some rabbits for meat but want the tightest groups and best windage, so please reccomend.
Thanks sam

Not an owner of a .17 for no better reason that they don't appeal to me, dirty, ammunition variation, carcass damage unless shot placement is bob on etc. All anecdotal I know but not a calibre/cartridge that floats my boat.


I'm guessing that 150+ we are talking foxing potentially. The WMR & .222 Rem are my most used rifles. Find the WinMag which suits your barrel and MOA is more than achievable and the .222 you ask? You can half that.

Neither of these are fashionable but they have been around for ages for good reason and they are a delight to shoot too. So, up to 125 WMR and anywhere up to 250 .222 Rem.

 

[sb1]

You' ll garner a lot of opinions - here's mine. Skip .22 L.R . it's a maximum 75 yard gun. A.22 WMR will get you 125 yards, a .17 HMR 150 yards. Forget CF rifles. Your MOA will be as conditions dictate, your ammo/ rifle match & of course, your ability as a shooter. My question is, is your fieldcraft ( or lack of) the reason for such long range aspirations ? One shouldn' t have much trouble " meat hunting" , getting into sub 12# airgun range - folks been doing it for decades.

Yes it is to do with my lack of field craft plus the time it takes, I'm usually out a few hours and lucky to get one rabbit i genrally try to ambush though sitting i still find em skittish and run unless within 50-60, I'd be hoping to be out for about 1 hour including winter when windy.

Do you have any reccomendations for a .17hmr I can see the groups at. Like a brand I can look at videos on.

 

[sb1]

Not an owner of a .17 for no better reason that they don't appeal to me, dirty, ammunition variation, carcass damage unless shot placement is bob on etc. All anecdotal I know but not a calibre/cartridge that floats my boat.


I'm guessing that 150+ we are talking foxing potentially. The WMR & .222 Rem are my most used rifles. Find the WinMag which suits your barrel and MOA is more than achievable and the .222 you ask? You can half that.

Neither of these are fashionable but they have been around for ages for good reason and they are a delight to shoot too. So, up to 125 WMR and anywhere up to 250 .222 Rem.

Which .222 gun do you reccomend I look into, also I'm left handed so it might be hard to find a brand that's accurate.

I did try to see if tikka did a .22wmr left handed but they don't even do .22wmr at all

 

[Teutchter Boy]

If you don't mind some noise then a .17hmr might be just the ticket provided you head shot the rabbits. If you need to be quiet then an fac airgun in .25 or .30 might be the ticket. My .25 alphawolf is a tad more accurate and repeatable than my Annie 1417 at 100 yards just because of rimfire ammo (the rifle is perfect). If you're going out to 150 yards you would want a slug gun mind, perhaps an fx king or Vulcan 3... Really up to you as to what you want out of the firearm

 

[chouchin66]

Yes it is to do with my lack of field craft plus the time it takes, I'm usually out a few hours and lucky to get one rabbit i genrally try to ambush though sitting i still find em skittish and run unless within 50-60, I'd be hoping to be out for about 1 hour including winter when windy.

Do you have any reccomendations for a .17hmr I can see the groups at. Like a brand I can look at videos on.

Critters tend to get skittish in the wind - it compromises their hearing. A bit of recon & a stategically placed hide will give you advantage - stay downwind on any approach. And keep sun to your advantage - don' t " skyline" yourself". Any of the CZ / Anschutz offerings will top notch / top end. I shoot a Mossberg 818( .17 cal.), lower end but dang accurate...like anything else though, no matter caliber or speed, wind will play hell with ' em... Practice required.

 

[Shultz & Larsen]

Which .222 gun do you reccomend I look into, also I'm left handed so it might be hard to find a brand that's accurate.

I did try to see if tikka did a .22wmr left handed but they don't even do .22wmr at all

CZ 457 synthetic is ambidextrous and is available in WMR

For a .222 then off the shelf could be a problem if it's left handed, Tikka do one but likely special order from GMK.

Try a trawl through Guntrader or Gunstar and and look out for a CZ 527.

What bit of Gods County are you in?

 

[rkr]

There are also 6mm calibers used for BR if you really want superb accuracy and minimal wind drift. Easy sub 1/2 MOA if you load your own ammo and not much recoil so easy to shoot.

 

[chouchin66]

There are also 6mm calibers used for BR if you really want superb accuracy and minimal wind drift. Easy sub 1/2 MOA if you load your own ammo and not much recoil so easy to shoot.

A bit overkill for rabbits ( plus land clearance issues ?)

 

[rkr]

A bit overkill for rabbits ( plus land clearance issues ?)

A bit more energy than .222 rem and about the same speed. As an advantage the bullets won't disintegrate on target as easily. Easiest and safest thing would be 17 hmr and settle with 1 moa accuracy. With airguns it's doable but bullet drop gets rather big at 150 and you certainly want slugs which is then another project to get it all just right, With .22lr it's ammo lottery to get decent velocity spread, if you find a good lot then moa is doable.

 

[That hurts]

I let my FAC lapse and sold on the Tikka 17HMR which accounted for many, many bunnies at the distances you are looking at

 

[chouchin66]

A bit more energy than .222 rem and about the same speed. As an advantage the bullets won't disintegrate on target as easily. Easiest and safest thing would be 17 hmr and settle with 1 moa accuracy. With airguns it's doable but bullet drop gets rather big at 150 and you certainly want slugs which is then another project to get it all just right, With .22lr it's ammo lottery to get decent velocity spread, if you find a good lot then moa is doable.

Trouble with .22 L.R., garbage B.C. & trajectory fade ...huntin' anything past 75 yards w/ one is ( my opinion) not a good thing... A good "compromise" for varied game would be the seemingly out of fashion Hornet cartridges - .17 or .22, either would get you longer distance & have enough thump for foxes or similar size stuff...plus .22 is " off the rack" available.

 

[Nocturnal]

Worth considering a 17 HMR, capable calibre out to sensible distances on rabbit, 100 yards easily with head shots. Also capable of fox at much closer distances, 50-70 yards.

 

[Roy75]

.17 HMR is the most versatile in my opinion.

 

[sb1]

CZ 457 synthetic is ambidextrous and is available in WMR

For a .222 then off the shelf could be a problem if it's left handed, Tikka do one but likely special order from GMK.

Try a trawl through Guntrader or Gunstar and and look out for a CZ 527.

What bit of Gods County are you in?

I'm near West amd south yorkshire

 

[sb1]

.17 HMR is the most versatile in my opinion.

Looks like a lot of votes for .17 does it realistically do 150 yards though moa or is it 100

 

[sb1]

Hi I am looking at ideas for a 100 yard gun with a view to 150 for mainly rabbits but possibly other quarry.

I am most interested in a caliber and brand that gives the best groups at this range and the least wind drift.

I have looked into FAC air (fx king and daystate blackwolf or other wolves)

I have looked into tikka tx1 (.22lr and .17hmr)

I haven't looked much at .22wmr, .222 etc but would be interested to know reccomendations.

I'm interested in harvesting some rabbits for meat but want the tightest groups and best windage, so please reccomend.
Thanks sam

I'm 50/50 now between the .17 and fac air, realistically how far can

If you don't mind some noise then a .17hmr might be just the ticket provided you head shot the rabbits. If you need to be quiet then an fac airgun in .25 or .30 might be the ticket. My .25 alphawolf is a tad more accurate and repeatable than my Annie 1417 at 100 yards just because of rimfire ammo (the rifle is perfect). If you're going out to 150 yards you would want a slug gun mind, perhaps an fx king or Vulcan 3... Really up to you as to what you want out of the firearm

I'm 50/50 between fac air and .17hmr at the minuate. what is the honest groupsizes in everyday conditions at 100 yards for the alpha and whst is a realistic practical hunting range you'd say

 

[Fx shooter]

FAC air .22 or .25 using slugs will reach your distance with ease and more using a decent airgun FAC . Any of the FX range , rti mora will definitely work , some of the daystate/ brocock will not shoot slugs that well
You should be able too achieve groups less than 25 mm/1” at 100 easy with the guns I suggested .

 

[Teutchter Boy]

I'm 50/50 now between the .17 and fac air, realistically how far can

I'm 50/50 between fac air and .17hmr at the minuate. what is the honest groupsizes in everyday conditions at 100 yards for the alpha and whst is a realistic practical hunting range you'd say

The Alphawolf i have is the 23inch barrel version that doesn't work with slugs, albeit it's lights out with pellets. Subject to conditions shooting the jsb heavies at 34g between 890ftps and 920ftps it is 3 shots within a 10p piece at 100yards if I do my part. My .22 Vulcan 3 is similar with slugs and jsb redesigns. My Annie can achieve this too although it is more difficult as there is a lot of variation in the ammo (i use rws subsonic hollow points which arent exactly match grade), whereas the Alphawolf keeps itself within around 4ftps via each shot. Obviously you can get better groups and much worse ones but any decent fac air will in my experience outshoot a 22lr at 100yards as they are just more consistent so less vertical string. I don't shoot at live quarry at this distance as generally restrict myself to 80 to 90yards but that's a me issue rather than a gun one. All said and done a decent .25 cal fac airgun is very accurate out to 100 yards and probably a bit further, however I don't think 150 yards is on the cards unless you're some sniper as the ever present wind will move things around quite a bit (same goes for 22lr).