Thetraindriver01
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Interesting... OK, thanks. I will go to my local and pick up a few tester tins to give them a try, cheers Dave
It will only be used for plinking so not worried about power, just accuracy 
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Air arms pro sport in 177 or 22 and what type of stock?
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It will only be used for plinking so not worried about power, just accuracy
Thetraindriver01
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Yes, I bought the MK2 in .22 on Tuesday evening from this forum, it should be with me tomorrow, HNGD to me tomorrow
Thetraindriver01
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Plinky Dave
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A good shot cycle promotes accuracy as there is less “recoil” also known as surge and bounce. Surge is the piston slamming into the end of the cylinder and bounce is the piston bouncing off a cushion of air in front of the piston at the end of the cylinder. The pellet weight and hardness affects the pellet “release pressure” which in turn affects the extent of surge or bounce. But the spring rate, preload, piston weight, stroke and swept volume, seal efficiency, lubricant and manufacture tolerance all affect that too. I know it’s a minefield.Interesting... OK, thanks. I will go to my local and pick up a few tester tins to give them a try, cheers Dave
There are a few great threads on springer set up and basic tuning principles.
The bottom line is the shot cycle is key to consistent accuracy. Power is a function of the pellet weight and speed, the speed is determined by all that other stuff above.
Thetraindriver01
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Thanks for the info, all greatly appreciated and going in the knowledge bankA good shot cycle promotes accuracy as there is less “recoil” also known as surge and bounce. Surge is the piston slamming into the end of the cylinder and bounce is the piston bouncing off a cushion of air in front of the piston at the end of the cylinder. The pellet weight and hardness affects the pellet “release pressure” which in turn affects the extent of surge or bounce. But the spring rate, preload, piston weight, stroke and swept volume, seal efficiency, lubricant and manufacture tolerance all affect that too. I know it’s a minefield.
There are a few great threads on springer set up and basic tuning principles.
The bottom line is the shot cycle is key to consistent accuracy. Power is a function of the pellet weight and speed, the speed is determined by all that other stuff above.
I want to replace all the seals and get the tbt tuning kit for it once I have the rifle. That way I get to know the rifle more and I know everything should be good internally then. Once that is done, I will definitely be looking for tx 200 help / info from the springer lounge 
Greyskull
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Yes, I bought the MK2 in .22 on Tuesday evening from this forum, it should be with me tomorrow, HNGD to me tomorrow
Hi @Thetraindriver01,Thanks for the info, all greatly appreciated and going in the knowledge bank
Nice choice of rifle matey, and please don't take this the wrong way, but the rifle action is a MK3 and its only the stock that is Mk2.
I am going by the sales picture of comp tube where the cuts are not equally spaced as per a Mk3.
A Mk2 comp tube would be 3 evenly spaced cuts.
Hope this helps when ordering your replacement tbt kit, because the Mk2 and Mk3 will have different spring dimensions.
Atb Greyskull
P.s. HNGD.
Thetraindriver01
Super member
Morning Greyskull, no offence taken mate, happy to be corrected if wrongHi @Thetraindriver01,
Nice choice of rifle matey, and please don't take this the wrong way, but the rifle action is a MK3 and its only the stock that is Mk2.
I am going by the sales picture of comp tube where the cuts are not equally spaced as per a Mk3.
A Mk2 comp tube would be 3 evenly spaced cuts.
Hope this helps when ordering your replacement tbt kit, because the Mk2 and Mk3 will have different spring dimensions.
Atb Greyskull
P.s. HNGD.
I thought it was a MK1 or Mk3 as I too noticed that the grooves were not spaced the same, but when I asked the seller they told me it was a MK2, so being new to the world of TX200's I assumed I got it wrong, but it looks as if I was correct in my opinion after all. You pointing out that it was a Mk3 action and Mk2 stock is very helpful actually. I would prefer to know the exact MK it is and your knowledge has helped me out quite a bit, so thank you for your post, much appreciated. I know from my own research that the tubes are different lengths, so getting the correct one is vital. Thank you for the HNGD sentiment 
ATB
BigLes
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Morning Greyskull, no offence taken mate, happy to be corrected if wrong
Either way sounds like you've got a good rifle. I have a .177 TX200 Mk2 that I bought myself years ago for my 21st birthday. It was second-hand and I was a little disappointed it wasn't the latest and greatest Mk3 until some chaps on a HFT competition told me not to worry about it especially given how well it shot.
Anyhow, you might find this an interesting read, it confirms (to me at least) that when the Mk3 first appeared in the late 90's there wasn't much difference made from the previous Mk2 stock, with what most people see as the Mk3 stock appearing some years later (I reckon 2004-6 period).
Air Arms Anorak TX200
Thetraindriver01
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I agree, it's a fantastic rifle and I had it at a decent price too. I still have to wait until March (Birthday) to use it, although the wife said I can look at it for now, ha, ha.
I am super looking forward to using it soon and I already have a list of items that I want to get for it and I am itching to strip it down, replace all the seals and fit a TbT spring... Roll on March
FPoole
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Mark3 guns came with the Mark2 stock for about the first 6-7 years. So, you can have a Mark3 with that older stock.Morning Greyskull, no offence taken mate, happy to be corrected if wrong
Jay Butts
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I had the same thoughts about the ABT on the TX coming from a 97. I needn’t have. It becomes such second nature I found myself reaching for the release latch with my right hand when shooting the Weihrauch.
I have a Pro Sport too, both guns are absolutely superb. Toss a coin. You can’t go wrong with either.
I have a Pro Sport too, both guns are absolutely superb. Toss a coin. You can’t go wrong with either.
Thetraindriver01
Super member
OK, thanks for the info, is there an online lookup for the serial number to check all of this out please?
FPoole
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Just email Air Arms and give them the serial number. I guess you could also try calling, but not sure on that.
Thetraindriver01
Super member
OK, thank you
AyyJayy
Keen member
Having owned both the TX200 Mk3 rifle, anda Pro Sport, both in walnut and both .177, albeit at different points in time so never truly did a back to back test, what I will say is this:
The weight balance on the TX200 Mk3 rifle (full length) was very far forward and felt like a right old lump when shooting offhand. The shot cycle was incredibly smooth and the mass of the rifle absorbed most of the recoil.
The weight of the Pro Sport is definitely more rearward and this helps drastically when shooting offhand. I'd argue that there was more felt recoil from the Pro Sport.
Ergonomically the TX is probably easier to live with despite the ABT. As others have said the ABT becomes second nature, whereas the awkward arc that the recessed cocking lever moves in on the Pro Sport can make make usage feel like a bit of a faff.
Both guns had smooth shot cycles, I'd argue that MY Pro Sport wasn't as smooth to shoot as my TX, but that could just be due to manufacturing variation.
I'm also curious as to whether the HC variant of the TX is the sweet spot between the two with regards to balance, but have never had the chance to handle one.
If I was to pursue purchasing another springer, it would definitely be one of the Air Arms range as I feel fit and finish and general build quality out of the box far surpasses any of their rivals (the Weihrauch stuff is good don't get me wrong, but I feel that the finish is less refined and the stockwork looks slightly agricultural by comparison).
If I was buying with my head, I'd have another TX as it's easier to handle in the field due to more ergonomic cocking cycle, but if I was buying eith my heart it would have to be the Pro Sport - I don't think there's a better looking air rifle out there. Out of the two, I regret selling my Pro Sport the most.
Best of luck with whatever you choose to purchase. If you feel like you've made the wrong purchase I'll gladly take it off your hands
ATB
Ash
The weight balance on the TX200 Mk3 rifle (full length) was very far forward and felt like a right old lump when shooting offhand. The shot cycle was incredibly smooth and the mass of the rifle absorbed most of the recoil.
The weight of the Pro Sport is definitely more rearward and this helps drastically when shooting offhand. I'd argue that there was more felt recoil from the Pro Sport.
Ergonomically the TX is probably easier to live with despite the ABT. As others have said the ABT becomes second nature, whereas the awkward arc that the recessed cocking lever moves in on the Pro Sport can make make usage feel like a bit of a faff.
Both guns had smooth shot cycles, I'd argue that MY Pro Sport wasn't as smooth to shoot as my TX, but that could just be due to manufacturing variation.
I'm also curious as to whether the HC variant of the TX is the sweet spot between the two with regards to balance, but have never had the chance to handle one.
If I was to pursue purchasing another springer, it would definitely be one of the Air Arms range as I feel fit and finish and general build quality out of the box far surpasses any of their rivals (the Weihrauch stuff is good don't get me wrong, but I feel that the finish is less refined and the stockwork looks slightly agricultural by comparison).
If I was buying with my head, I'd have another TX as it's easier to handle in the field due to more ergonomic cocking cycle, but if I was buying eith my heart it would have to be the Pro Sport - I don't think there's a better looking air rifle out there. Out of the two, I regret selling my Pro Sport the most.
Best of luck with whatever you choose to purchase. If you feel like you've made the wrong purchase I'll gladly take it off your hands
ATB
Ash
Thetraindriver01
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Thank you for the input, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I bought a TX200 HC in .22 afterwards, did a full hot re - blue, stock refinish, TbT short stroke kit and new TbT spring. It is beautiful, I love it, but I damaged my hand in April, so I am confined to PCP's for now - My AA S510 US, so not all bad. It's killing me seeing it in the safe there, all alone and unused, but I will get it up the range with it again soon I hope.Having owned both the TX200 Mk3 rifle, anda Pro Sport, both in walnut and both .177, albeit at different points in time so never truly did a back to back test, what I will say is this:
The weight balance on the TX200 Mk3 rifle (full length) was very far forward and felt like a right old lump when shooting offhand. The shot cycle was incredibly smooth and the mass of the rifle absorbed most of the recoil.
The weight of the Pro Sport is definitely more rearward and this helps drastically when shooting offhand. I'd argue that there was more felt recoil from the Pro Sport.
Ergonomically the TX is probably easier to live with despite the ABT. As others have said the ABT becomes second nature, whereas the awkward arc that the recessed cocking lever moves in on the Pro Sport can make make usage feel like a bit of a faff.
Both guns had smooth shot cycles, I'd argue that MY Pro Sport wasn't as smooth to shoot as my TX, but that could just be due to manufacturing variation.
I'm also curious as to whether the HC variant of the TX is the sweet spot between the two with regards to balance, but have never had the chance to handle one.
If I was to pursue purchasing another springer, it would definitely be one of the Air Arms range as I feel fit and finish and general build quality out of the box far surpasses any of their rivals (the Weihrauch stuff is good don't get me wrong, but I feel that the finish is less refined and the stockwork looks slightly agricultural by comparison).
If I was buying with my head, I'd have another TX as it's easier to handle in the field due to more ergonomic cocking cycle, but if I was buying eith my heart it would have to be the Pro Sport - I don't think there's a better looking air rifle out there. Out of the two, I regret selling my Pro Sport the most.
Best of luck with whatever you choose to purchase. If you feel like you've made the wrong purchase I'll gladly take it off your hands
ATB
Ash
AyyJayy
Keen member
Did you fit the kit yourself? How did you find the gun after the short stroke vs before? Any pics?
Gutted for ya mate. Im in a similar situation myself unfortunately, did my fibula last week and climbing the walls now. Best I can do is bench rest off my garden table at 30yds as can't get myself down to the range
How's the S510? I've just swapped my Wolverine Mk1 for a Ghost but suddenly having the itch to get another rifle to accompany the bullpup
Always wanted an S510 but never handled one.
Thetraindriver01
Super member
Yes, I fitted the kit myself, quite straightforward, plenty of info out there to do it too, that's why I bought one over the Pro Sport.Did you fit the kit yourself? How did you find the gun after the short stroke vs before? Any pics?
Gutted for ya mate. Im in a similar situation myself unfortunately, did my fibula last week and climbing the walls now. Best I can do is bench rest off my garden table at 30yds as can't get myself down to the range
How's the S510? I've just swapped my Wolverine Mk1 for a Ghost but suddenly having the itch to get another rifle to accompany the bullpup
Always wanted an S510 but never handled one.
I didn't shoot it before as it was in poor condition, but useable, so it was stripped down, worked on and I had it on my Birthday from the wife.
Pictures of the after? here they are for you
I had a cheek piece fitted at the same time too for good measure.Injuries are a bugger, I feel for you mate, hopefully you can get back to fighting fit soon enough.
The S510 is lovely, it's a laminate stock, I love it. It does less than fingernail groupings at 35 yards, very accurate and is a joy to own. All my rifles are cleaned down after use and they are locked away from sticky finger prints in the safes when not being used. I use gloves when handling them, except when at the range or on the perms to keep them looking nice. It has a useable shot count of around 70, max filling pressure is 190, but it is best and consistent at 160 - 120 bar. For hunting, HFT and general plinking, you will love it.
I own a Daystate Red Wolf in .177, AA S510 in .177, Kral NP 02 and 03 in .177, Reximex Myth in .177, SMK XS78 (C02) in .22, TX 200 HC in .22, Cometa Fenix 400 in .22, Cometa 220 in .22, Diana G80 in .22, BSA Lightning MK1 in .22, BSA Lightning CLX in .177, and 5 C02 Pistols. I started 18 months ago and just got hooked on it, lol. It's nice to have a variety and guns that are fun, like the pistols, that way it keeps it fresh and interesting. When you miss with a red wold it's annoying, when you hit something with a C02 rifle or Pistol, it's elating as you actually hit something
I have never shot a Wolverine, they look nice though... A few members at the range have Ghost's, they look a beautiful machine. What kind of rifle are you looking at? Springer, PCP, C02? Short or long?
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AyyJayy
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That's a tidy bit of kit there that is mate. How much did you part with for that if you don't mind me asking?
Good man regarding having a meticulous approach to maintenance. A few minutes spent keeping on top of things will save you a few hundred ££s down the line.
Ive always been attracted to the Air Arms PCPs on account of their simplistic look. I think they look elegant but not overdone. Assuming yours is the non-regulated model?
That's quite the collection for 18 months in! Must admit though, it's addictive. Im in my element at the moment as I really get emersed in reading around areas of interest so have spent the last 4 months getting back into it all and catching up with it all.
Im unsure. Like I say, I really fancy another Air Arms springer, but then I also quite fancy another traditional PCP rifle hence my queries around the S510. The Wolverine was fine, but a bit front heavy, and I wish it had have been regulated personally just to achieve guaranteed consistency.
Good man regarding having a meticulous approach to maintenance. A few minutes spent keeping on top of things will save you a few hundred ££s down the line.
Ive always been attracted to the Air Arms PCPs on account of their simplistic look. I think they look elegant but not overdone. Assuming yours is the non-regulated model?
That's quite the collection for 18 months in! Must admit though, it's addictive. Im in my element at the moment as I really get emersed in reading around areas of interest so have spent the last 4 months getting back into it all and catching up with it all.
Im unsure. Like I say, I really fancy another Air Arms springer, but then I also quite fancy another traditional PCP rifle hence my queries around the S510. The Wolverine was fine, but a bit front heavy, and I wish it had have been regulated personally just to achieve guaranteed consistency.
I really like the feel of the AA rifles but the laminate ultimate looks superb as does the much cheaper HW 97 in blue laminate but I do worry about the very short barrel, I really regret selling my Airsporter S a few years back
the tap loader was so good
the tap loader was so good