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Byronic
Member Extraordinaire
Many of us would have been happy to pull the lever on "The Birmingham Six" after the pub bombings - especially in the light of "definitive forensic evidence" from their hands that they had been handling explosives.
Good thing that nobody actually could as they were later released - at least those who survived - after 16 years in prison.
Their alibi had been that they were all playing cards together at the time of the bombings - later forensic evidence revealed that the substance on their hands could have come from playing cards as they had claimed all along.
Birmingham Six - Wikipedia
Yes i was aware there is a formula to get the correct length of drop for a clean break of the neckwhich is normally the 2nd and 3rd vertebrae and the metal ferrule that the rope passes through to form the loop in th rope is always placed on the left hand side of the jaw so that at the end of the drop it causes the body to rotate 90 degrees to the right i think to insure that the spinal cord is severed.
Oh no !
A violent and vicious world is smothering this planet and this country. A strongly worded t shirt campaign and some hand wringing wets won't save the day .
I didn't need counselling when the government paid me and armed me .
To stand in front of the weak or lomf bunch if it came to it .
Bad times make strong men
Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men
Weak men make bad times
The pussification of western men has got us where we are heading.
The empire wasn't built by crack teams of man babies hugging out their emotions.
I think we are loosing sight of the real issue here
A violent and vicious world is smothering this planet and this country. A strongly worded t shirt campaign and some hand wringing wets won't save the day .
I didn't need counselling when the government paid me and armed me .
To stand in front of the weak or lomf bunch if it came to it .
Bad times make strong men
Strong men make good times
Good times make weak men
Weak men make bad times
The pussification of western men has got us where we are heading.
The empire wasn't built by crack teams of man babies hugging out their emotions.
I think we are loosing sight of the real issue here
I'm not against Capital punishment per se but it should be reserved only for the most heinous crimes where there is absolutey no shadow of doubt that the person is guilty i.e cases where though forensics is used, as now they are in most crimes, even without forensics it's obvious the person is guilty.
Or has i said in my previous post for whole term lifers who will never be released they can have the option of execution if they do not want to spend the rest of their life in prison.
Or has i said in my previous post for whole term lifers who will never be released they can have the option of execution if they do not want to spend the rest of their life in prison.
So according to that logic, if logic is the appropriate word, from what you've said there it's one continuous circle then.
I think you already have.
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Why the sudden change from your original now deleted post have you had some sort of epiphany or damascene moment.
wilkinss77
Super member
I think prison guards should be equipped with stab vests, truncheons & tasers for their own protection, & all inmates denied access to boiling water or oil, & only allowed plastic cutlery.
Just some rot from a silly story book .
Silly books/ gullible people cause most of the problem.
I believe the Mods deleted for you did they not.
I assume so .
Truth or different views can be inconvenient especially when words seem to carry more hurtyness than stabbing people does these days
Neil123
Member Extraordinaire
It could still be said that a wrongly convicted man faced with life imprisonment might choose death instead.
I agree with giving them the choice If there is no doubt at all, for example, Michael Adebolajo the killer of Lee Rigby.
Who was filmed doing it by numerous cameras and gave a ranting speech to camera whilst still holding the bloody knife.
Can't be any doubt there.
I would also include the OXO Copacabana thing in that as well.
Their choice would be kept secret and the results would be,
"I want to be executed" = that will be life in solitary then.
"I choose life imprisonment" = get the rope tied.
What does "or lomf bunch " mean?
AtomicHabits
Keen member
Prison should be a place of rehabilitation. The variability of life shows that things go wrong to good people. Further, as we know within the airgun community how insane the laws are regarding airgun, then we are aware that all laws are not made equal and without careful consideration at times. We also know theres no one size fits all, so to do what the US is doing without just cause, then you accept a level of tyranny from governement. Im not addressing any particular event, we know there are things that needs to be fixed but to allow governance to do what they want, without regulation, then you leave a gap in where terrible person in power that can change the scope of society to the detriment of our and generations thereafter’s future.
Everything starts on the bedrock of strong foundations
Byronic
Member Extraordinaire
I completely agree about the process of Justice being essential and that some people might benefit from "rehabilitation."
Surely there should also be an element of "punishment" as well?
One of the first things needed for that is to stop the supply of drugs into prison - given that a lot of low level acquisitive crime is driven by addiction.
Personally, I would make any comforts or additions - like a mobile phone - dependent on good behaviour as a reward to be earned.
TV?
Internet? (Restricted, obvously!)
How "comfortable" does it need to be in prison?
How warm does it need to be?
How do you further punish those behaving dangerously?
Solitary confinement?
Bread and water type (not literally) diets?
"Lifers" do not need to be "rehabilitated" if they are serving a "full life" sentence - they are never getting out.
Sentences should be served in full - with extra time added in the case of bad behaviour rather than "Time off for good behaviour" being given.
Judges and "Sentencing Guidelines" need a shake-up too.
Often far, far too lenient which is no deterrent at all.
This will need more Prisons, more Prison Officers and more tax input to finance these.
AtomicHabits
Keen member
I agree with these points, also. Of course, the spectrum of human behaviours, rehabilitation is beneficial for x% in society. Deterrence and punishment that is equal to the crime would be a part of it, as bad behaviour should come with fair and just consequence
A shake up, indeed. Dogma is prevalent in the UK, when presented with new verifiable truths, we must adjust to the situation and update our laws, guidelines. Politics and Laws tend to be reactionary though
The overarching problem is that there isn't enough funding in all these areas to finance research, infrastructure and competency in every faucet that has been spoken about; and thus we face being stagnant and not acquiring new knowledge on how to deal with different crimes, updating laws the complex nature of so many different situation of society. Simplifying, for the most part, doesn’t work (though it also has its place, I believe)
Have we not seen in all areas in our own lives and experiences when these things are satisfied, things just work better?
But its also nuanced in a sense, we cannot satisfy everyone and goes back to the ideals of Jeremy Bentham in utilitarianism, ideals of a system that works for the majority of society is the most beneficial one. This goes back to the very roots of what we want our society to be, lay these foundations down and work from there
A question that shoots of from this is, how do we prevent instead of react to crime? What makes a civil, just society in which every member can feel included and participates within?
Buglecall
Proactive member
This scene from RD was brill. Barrie played it excellent.