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Hi.

All I really do with shooting wise is little target plinking and shooting heads of carrots in FIL back garden.

We were thinking of getting a .177 pistol to change up the shooting afternoons.

Been looking at an Sig or Glock.

I looked at a few reviews but just wondered what people’s thoughts were in the real world.

Are they just a bit of a gimmick or actually half decent.

Am I going to be blowing through lots of gas and pellets for maybe being accurate enough to shoot tin cans off the wall?

Cheers
 
umarex make good replica co2 pistols, i have a cp88 competition and its accurate enough to hit targets from 10-15 meters quite easily, you get about 30-40 good shots from a 12g cartridge before the pressure drops and the accuracy suffers.
Alot of guys like the revolvers too. Just make sure the gun you pick has rifling in the barrel.
 
umarex make good replica co2 pistols, i have a cp88 competition and its accurate enough to hit targets from 10-15 meters quite easily, you get about 30-40 good shots from a 12g cartridge before the pressure drops and the accuracy suffers.
Alot of guys like the revolvers too. Just make sure the gun you pick has rifling in the barrel.
Oh nice. Was looking at that one as well. Trying convince the missus I need one. The “ I want you me “ just doesn’t cut it anymore
 
I have an Umarex Glock 17 which has a rifled barrel, but comes with mags for both BBs and 177s, although I suspect putting BBs through it would not do the rifling any favours, so with that thing I stick to pellets, and it is undeniably good fun and is pretty accurate as well, so I've no problems in recommending it, if you like Glocks. But bear in mind that the one I have - Umarex make lots of different variants with some quite significant differences - is not field strippable, whereas some of the others they make are strippable, so if playing with it and having it able to be stripped down is something which appeals to you, then pick one of them which is strippable. Personally that didn't bother me, so I was happy with the one I got which is not strippable, but on the plus side, it does come in a nice hard plastic Glock case similar to what the real thing comes in. Also bear in mind that the one I have does not lock back on an empty mag, whereas some of the other Umarex Glocks do, so this too might concern you if you want a 'just like the real thing in every way' CO2 Glock.

Here's my Umarex Glock 17, which if you like Glocks, does undeniably look the business:

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Having said that, in spite of their popularity with law enforcement people and civilians alike, real Glocks and indeed license built airgun replicas of them are not for everyone in terms of ergonomics. Since the Glock 17 is a pistol with a double stack magazine to enable it to hold 17 rounds, this makes the grip pretty wide, which some people don't like. Also note that Glocks have a moulded in thumb slot on the grip which is geared toward making you grip it with your thumb low down on the handle and as you probably know, that's not typically how most professional shooters recommend you hold a pistol, instead saying you should use a high grip and place your thumb along the frame just below the slide, which then leaves space on the grip to allow you to have the end of your other hand's thumb on the grip, then wrap your fingers around the grip with your second hand's thumb going along the grip just below your other thumb. So for most people, that thumb recess is a somewhat annoying feature on a Glock.

Now of course the 'recommended' two-handed grip is to give you good control of recoil and follow through and to put your dominant arm as close to being in line with the barrel as possible, all of which aids accuracy and avoids 'limp wristing', which is where you aren't braced enough to allow the slide to properly function, which can cause a failure to load a new round when the action cycles incorrectly owing to backwards movement from your wrist (a problem with semi-automatics which is not limited to Glocks incidentally). This is more of a problem with a real firearm than it would be with a CO2 blowback air gun since the blowback on a CO2 replica is basically 'just for show' and to give it a small amount of kick, but since part of the appeal of such a CO2 replica is to use it like the real thing, it does kind of matter if that is part of the appeal of such a gun if you want to use it as per the real thing for example to replicate some tactical competition shooting or similar.

Then there is the fact that a Glock famously does not have a safety catch in the traditional sense, instead featuring a trigger within the trigger which sort of acts as one, but it's not everyone's cup of tea and many prefer an actual safety catch, so if you are one who does, this is a big negative point for a Glock replica, or at least it would be if it slavishly followed this aspect, because having said that, the Umarex Glocks do actually depart from the real things where this is concerned and do have a recessed safety switch under the barrel area (it's very well concealed so it doesn't spoil the realistic look). But it is kind of hard to operate if you have short nails, however it is there and a usable safety feature, although if you then decide you want a laser or light or some such on your Glock mounted under the barrel, this makes that safety catch inaccessable.

These are all things you might want to consider where realistic replicas of Glocks are concerned. But if you like Glocks, don't let this put you off the Umarex ones; the fact that they share the same issues that the real ones have, are license built and have all the correct markings etc, is actually a testament to how good they are, warts and all.

Some other recommendations if it doesn't have to be a Glock...

Sig Sauer as you probably know are currently experiencing a lot of problems owing to a well publicised incident (when a US airman was allegedly shot and kil;led by his gun going off whilst in the holster) wherein their P320 model is susceptable to negligent discharges caused by the play in the slide allowing the striker mechanism to fire the pistol without actually having to touch the trigger. Again, this is a problem with the real thing and not the airgun replicas of them, but if you like replicating the real world, you might want to consider that, if you wanted a gun which was popular, because curently Sig is not, at least in the real world.

A CO2 pistol I can certainly recommend for a bit of fun and I'm certainly not alone in doing so, is the GAMO P25 Blowback, and that's for a couple of good reasons: It is one of the more affordable ones, but it is in spite of that, very solidly constructed. Although not an actual replica of a real world gun, it borrows heavily from the looks of the Walther PP (that's the bigger original Politzei Pistol, not the smaller PPK of James Bond fame) so it has a classy old school look to it, but if that look does not float your boat, you can 'tart it up' with a dedicated 'tactical kit' available seperately (but this only costs about 20 quid) which will allow you to throw more tactical rails on the thing than you could ever possibly need and which makes it look very much more up to date

Here's mine, with that tactical kit on it although note that I also modified mine so it could take a silencer, so the regular ones don't have that threaded barrel or that silencer although GAMO do make the PT85 Tactical, which is internally similar to the P25 yet has all kinds of tactical stuff that comes with it, including fancy sights, silencer, torch attachments etc, so it kind of looks like my modified P25:

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If however, you don't want a Glock and don't want that GAMO because it isn't a replica of a real world firearm, then I'd recommend you take a look at the Air Venturi replica of the Spingfield Armoury XDE. Like Umarex replicas, this is a licensed copy made with the approval of Springfield Armoury, so it looks just like the real thing, has all the correct markings, weighs exactly the same as the real thing and it is fully field strippable, but in spite of all that, it only cost 130 quid, and in fact if you look about you can find it for less than a ton in some shops, which makes it an unbelievably good bargain and something a little different from all the other stuff out there.

If you aren't bothered about the blowback feature but you still want a gun which has a real world counterpart and is probably the most accurate-shooting one of the entire lot, then I'd recommend the Umarex Walther CP88. This comes in various versions, but they all shoot well and being non-blowback, are very miserly on gas. The downside of course is that whilst they look like a real Walther, the magazine system is nothing like the real thing (being the Umarex rotary type, which technically makes it a revolver pretending to be a semi-automatic), but if you can live with that, you wont find a better shooting replica.

This is my nickel plated one with the compensator attachment, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it is certainly the best-shooting replica pistol I have and it's reliable too. I've had my for getting on for 20 years and it still shoots well:

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You should be awre that it's a slippery slope, and you'll end up with several of the things, but you probably alread know that.
 
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For me it’s revolvers that float my boat.
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The 629 classic (top right) is the only one with adjustable sights. However the trigger ain’t great. The Webley service revolver has a great trigger but ain’t so great accuracy wise. My current favourite is the Colt SAA it’s so much fun and surprisingly accurate.
 
Well! @Alan B certainly gave you detailed low down! 👍🏻👍🏻
Popular CO2 replica pistols (not revolver) from Umarex also include
- Beretta F92S
- CP88 -- both models
which are reputedly the two most accurate in this type of CO2 gun.

My first foray was a ASG CZ75-P09 blowback that's good enough for plinking and gives you some of the feel of the real thing at a reasonable price. P09, not P07 mind you.
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It shares the magazine system with the Gamo so if you want to buy extras check respective prices 🤔😉.

You might enjoy the SA10 which shares the similar magazine system to the Glock Alan B described with the added bonus that it can be made moderator compatible 😁😁.

Be aware you'll be wanting more models to broaden your experience and collection 😁😁😁😀.
I have a penchant for revolvers of the S&W/Dan Wesson type including the shell loading systems.
 
I have an Umarex Glock 17 which has a rifled barrel, but comes with mags for both BBs and 177s, although I suspect putting BBs through it would not do the rifling any favours, so with that thing I stick to pellets, and it is undeniably good fun and is pretty accurate as well, so I've no problems in recommending it, if you like Glocks. But bear in mind that the one I have - Umarex make lots of different variants with some quite significant differences - is not field strippable, whereas some of the others they make are strippable, so if playing with it and having it able to be stripped down is something which appeals to you, then pick one of them which is strippable. Personally that didn't bother me, so I was happy with the one I got which is not strippable, but on the plus side, it does come in a nice hard plastic Glock case similar to what the real thing comes in. Also bear in mind that the one I have does not lock back on an empty mag, whereas some of the other Umarex Glocks do, so this too might concern you if you want a 'just like the real thing in every way' CO2 Glock.

Here's my Umarex Glock 17, which if you like Glocks, does undeniably look the business:

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Having said that, in spite of their popularity with law enforcement people and civilians alike, real Glocks and indeed license built airgun replicas of them are not for everyone in terms of ergonomics. Since the Glock 17 is a pistol with a double stack magazine to enable it to hold 17 rounds, this makes the grip pretty wide, which some people don't like. Also note that Glocks have a moulded in thumb slot on the grip which is geared toward making you grip it with your thumb low down on the handle and as you probably know, that's not typically how most professional shooters recommend you hold a pistol, instead saying you should use a high grip and place your thumb along the frame just below the slide, which then leaves space on the grip to allow you to have the end of your other hand's thumb on the grip, then wrap your fingers around the grip with your second hand's thumb going along the grip just below your other thumb. So for most people, that thumb recess is a somewhat annoying feature on a Glock.

Now of course the 'recommended' two-handed grip is to give you good control of recoil and follow through and to put your dominant arm as close to being in line with the barrel as possible, all of which aids accuracy and avoids 'limp wristing', which is where you aren't braced enough to allow the slide to properly function, which can cause a failure to load a new round when the action cycles incorrectly owing to backwards movement from your wrist (a problem with semi-automatics which is not limited to Glocks incidentally). This is more of a problem with a real firearm than it would be with a CO2 blowback air gun since the blowback on a CO2 replica is basically 'just for show' and to give it a small amount of kick, but since part of the appeal of such a CO2 replica is to use it like the real thing, it does kind of matter if that is part of the appeal of such a gun if you want to use it as per the real thing for example to replicate some tactical competition shooting or similar.

Then there is the fact that a Glock famously does not have a safety catch in the traditional sense, instead featuring a trigger within the trigger which sort of acts as one, but it's not everyone's cup of tea and many prefer an actual safety catch, so if you are one who does, this is a big negative point for a Glock replica, or at least it would be if it slavishly followed this aspect, because having said that, the Umarex Glocks do actually depart from the real things where this is concerned and do have a recessed safety switch under the barrel area (it's very well concealed so it doesn't spoil the realistic look). But it is kind of hard to operate if you have short nails, however it is there and a usable safety feature, although if you then decide you want a laser or light or some such on your Glock mounted under the barrel, this makes that safety catch inaccessable.

These are all things you might want to consider where realistic replicas of Glocks are concerned. But if you like Glocks, don't let this put you off the Umarex ones; the fact that they share the same issues that the real ones have, are license built and have all the correct markings etc, is actually a testament to how good they are, warts and all.

Some other recommendations if it doesn't have to be a Glock...

Sig Sauer as you probably know are currently experiencing a lot of problems owing to a well publicised incident (when a US airman was allegedly shot and kil;led by his gun going off whilst in the holster) wherein their P320 model is susceptable to negligent discharges caused by the play in the slide allowing the striker mechanism to fire the pistol without actually having to touch the trigger. Again, this is a problem with the real thing and not the airgun replicas of them, but if you like replicating the real world, you might want to consider that, if you wanted a gun which was popular, because curently Sig is not, at least in the real world.

A CO2 pistol I can certainly recommend for a bit of fun and I'm certainly not alone in doing so, is the GAMO P25 Blowback, and that's for a couple of good reasons: It is one of the more affordable ones, but it is in spite of that, very solidly constructed. Although not an actual replica of a real world gun, it borrows heavily from the looks of the Walther PP (that's the bigger original Politzei Pistol, not the smaller PPK of James Bond fame) so it has a classy old school look to it, but if that look does not float your boat, you can 'tart it up' with a dedicated 'tactical kit' available seperately (but this only costs about 20 quid) which will allow you to throw more tactical rails on the thing than you could ever possibly need and which makes it look very much more up to date

Here's mine, with that tactical kit on it although note that I also modified mine so it could take a silencer, so the regular ones don't have that threaded barrel or that silencer although GAMO do make the PT85 Tactical, which is internally similar to the P25 yet has all kinds of tactical stuff that comes with it, including fancy sights, silencer, torch attachments etc, so it kind of looks like my modified P25:

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If however, you don't want a Glock and don't want that GAMO because it isn't a replica of a real world firearm, then I'd recommend you take a look at the Air Venturi replica of the Spingfield Armoury XDE. Like Umarex replicas, this is a licensed copy made with the approval of Springfield Armoury, so it looks just like the real thing, has all the correct markings, weighs exactly the same as the real thing and it is fully field strippable, but in spite of all that, it only cost 130 quid, and in fact if you look about you can find it for less than a ton in some shops, which makes it an unbelievably good bargain and something a little different from all the other stuff out there.

If you aren't bothered about the blowback feature but you still want a gun which has a real world counterpart and is probably the most accurate-shooting one of the entire lot, then I'd recommend the Umarex Walther CP88. This comes in various versions, but they all shoot well and being non-blowback, are very miserly on gas. The downside of course is that whilst they look like a real Walther, the magazine system is nothing like the real thing (being the Umarex rotary type, which technically makes it a revolver pretending to be a semi-automatic), but if you can live with that, you wont find a better shooting replica.

This is my nickel plated one with the compensator attachment, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it is certainly the best-shooting replica pistol I have and it's reliable too. I've had my for getting on for 20 years and it still shoots well:

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You should be awre that it's a slippery slope, and you'll end up with several of the things, but you probably alread know that.
That is an incredible review. Who knew there was such a range.

A good friend of mine in Utah has a glock, his wife has an sig and he has just bought a Springfield after we tested one down the gun range in January. The Springfield is a beautiful 9mm.

It’s certainly going to maybe be on my present list.
I didn’t think people would be owning several.

I did also look at the Walther - in all honestly as a big bond fan that called to me.

Blow back was something I was interested in mainly for the “ as close to the original “ feel.

Does a silencer add anything or is it more aesthetics ? I love a hand gun with a silencer lol.
 
For me it’s revolvers that float my boat.
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The 629 classic (top right) is the only one with adjustable sights. However the trigger ain’t great. The Webley service revolver has a great trigger but ain’t so great accuracy wise. My current favourite is the Colt SAA it’s so much fun and surprisingly accurate.
We were looking at revolvers. It’s that 6 or 8 shooter cowboy feel would be fun hahah
 
Does a silencer add anything or is it more aesthetics ? I love a hand gun with a silencer lol.
As I'm sure you know, a silencer on a firearm - more correctly called a suppressor or moderator since it reduces the sound rather than completely silencing it - slows down and allows room to widen the expansion rate of the gas behind a bullet as it passes through it, by having a series of baffles along its length to hopefully reduce the supersonic crack as the gas exits the muzzle and as a secondary benefit, typically reduces muzzle flash a little bit as well, so as far as air guns are concerned, a lot of this expanding air behind the pellet or BB is already much slower than it is on a gunpowder firearm, but they still reduce noise levels in the same way that a silencer on a car exhaust does by essentially doing the same thing with a series of baffles. So the short answer is yes, they will help to reduce the noise although how much of a reduction they will cause depends on the design of the baffles.

But, a lot of air pistol and airsoft gun silencers have little or even nothing in the way of actual sound moderating baffles inside them and are entirely for aesthetic appeal, so it depends on whether the one you stick on the end of an airgun is of this type, or genuinely is a 'proper' silencer, and as you can probably surmise, that invariably comes down to what you pay for such a thing. However...

Some replica pistols with silencers on them are designed so that the silencer is in fact a barrel extension, with some of these being removable and others not, with the exterior of the silencer serving to conceal an extended barrel. In this case, the longer barrel would, in theory at least, increase the muzzle velocity, which if it did anything at all sound-wise, ironically enough would possibly make the thing a bit louder.

So yes, many of them genuinely will do something, but not necessarily what you might prefer them to. Oh and another thing they will almost always do, is make the iron sights useless because of the diameter of the silencer, necessitating a modification to the iron sights to make them much taller, or the addition of something such as a red dot sight which sits above the blockage made by the silencer.

In the case of me adding the screw thread to the end of my P25 so it would accept a moderator, I did that because I genuinely did want to try and reduce the sound of it a bit as it is quite loud for a back yard plinker, so that moderator I have for it is a 'proper' one which does have sound-deadening baffles in it which do reduce the noise a bit. But as noted, it created the necessity for the addition of a red dot sight on the thing, hence me adding the tactical rails to it.

But that's not all. Another problem with reducing the noise on semi-automatic gas blowback guns (both real and replica ones), that I'm sure you know of, is that noise doesn't just come from the muzzle, but also from the open breech as the slide goes back and makes a dirty great big opening for expanding gas and therefore sound, to come out of. This is why historically, pistols which were designed to be as silent as possible tended to be somewhat specialised, often firing with a closed breech. For example, a modified version of the Smith and Wesson Model 39 designed for stealth use featured not only a suppressor and subsonic ammunition, plus taller iron sights on it, but also a slide lock which if engaged, would prevent the slide from cycling to prevent gas escaping from the ejection port as well as not making a metallic clack as the thing normally does when the slide moves. All of those modifications in combination did actually make it a fairly quiet weapon, although hardly silent, being about the same level of noise as a child's cowboy cap gun when it fired.

This is something to bear in mind if you want a realistic looking CO2 pistol but are concerned about noise. Non-blowback ones offer a few advantages, one of them being that they are quieter for not having an opening breech when they fire, as well as being more frugal on gas usage, since they don't have to use any to cycle the blowback slide effect, this makes them more accurate for rapid follow up shots and since they are mechanically simpler as well, they are usually less expensive and pprobably less likely to break too,

Fun/Grim bonus fact about that modified S&W Model 39: Since it was intended primarily for shooting NVA and Vietcong sentry dogs, it ended up with the nickname of 'The Hush Puppy', which I doubt you'd get away with these days.
 
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The CP99 is a competent and accurate pistol in my experience and worth a look. The CP88 competition has a longer barrel running under the fore-end extension, but the 92FS competition has just the standard barrel length and the shroud is purely aesthetic..
I did try a mod adapter on the CP99, but suffered with clipping and the sound attenuation wasn't significant to pursue.
The mods I had typically obscure the iron sights.
 
Any pellet-firing, all or mostly metal construction replicas with blowback AND a 1/2" UNF thread to accept 'proper' suppressor?
 
I have an Umarex Glock 17 which has a rifled barrel, but comes with mags for both BBs and 177s, although I suspect putting BBs through it would not do the rifling any favours, so with that thing I stick to pellets, and it is undeniably good fun and is pretty accurate as well, so I've no problems in recommending it, if you like Glocks. But bear in mind that the one I have - Umarex make lots of different variants with some quite significant differences - is not field strippable, whereas some of the others they make are strippable, so if playing with it and having it able to be stripped down is something which appeals to you, then pick one of them which is strippable. Personally that didn't bother me, so I was happy with the one I got which is not strippable, but on the plus side, it does come in a nice hard plastic Glock case similar to what the real thing comes in. Also bear in mind that the one I have does not lock back on an empty mag, whereas some of the other Umarex Glocks do, so this too might concern you if you want a 'just like the real thing in every way' CO2 Glock.

Here's my Umarex Glock 17, which if you like Glocks, does undeniably look the business:

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Having said that, in spite of their popularity with law enforcement people and civilians alike, real Glocks and indeed license built airgun replicas of them are not for everyone in terms of ergonomics. Since the Glock 17 is a pistol with a double stack magazine to enable it to hold 17 rounds, this makes the grip pretty wide, which some people don't like. Also note that Glocks have a moulded in thumb slot on the grip which is geared toward making you grip it with your thumb low down on the handle and as you probably know, that's not typically how most professional shooters recommend you hold a pistol, instead saying you should use a high grip and place your thumb along the frame just below the slide, which then leaves space on the grip to allow you to have the end of your other hand's thumb on the grip, then wrap your fingers around the grip with your second hand's thumb going along the grip just below your other thumb. So for most people, that thumb recess is a somewhat annoying feature on a Glock.

Now of course the 'recommended' two-handed grip is to give you good control of recoil and follow through and to put your dominant arm as close to being in line with the barrel as possible, all of which aids accuracy and avoids 'limp wristing', which is where you aren't braced enough to allow the slide to properly function, which can cause a failure to load a new round when the action cycles incorrectly owing to backwards movement from your wrist (a problem with semi-automatics which is not limited to Glocks incidentally). This is more of a problem with a real firearm than it would be with a CO2 blowback air gun since the blowback on a CO2 replica is basically 'just for show' and to give it a small amount of kick, but since part of the appeal of such a CO2 replica is to use it like the real thing, it does kind of matter if that is part of the appeal of such a gun if you want to use it as per the real thing for example to replicate some tactical competition shooting or similar.

Then there is the fact that a Glock famously does not have a safety catch in the traditional sense, instead featuring a trigger within the trigger which sort of acts as one, but it's not everyone's cup of tea and many prefer an actual safety catch, so if you are one who does, this is a big negative point for a Glock replica, or at least it would be if it slavishly followed this aspect, because having said that, the Umarex Glocks do actually depart from the real things where this is concerned and do have a recessed safety switch under the barrel area (it's very well concealed so it doesn't spoil the realistic look). But it is kind of hard to operate if you have short nails, however it is there and a usable safety feature, although if you then decide you want a laser or light or some such on your Glock mounted under the barrel, this makes that safety catch inaccessable.

These are all things you might want to consider where realistic replicas of Glocks are concerned. But if you like Glocks, don't let this put you off the Umarex ones; the fact that they share the same issues that the real ones have, are license built and have all the correct markings etc, is actually a testament to how good they are, warts and all.

Some other recommendations if it doesn't have to be a Glock...

Sig Sauer as you probably know are currently experiencing a lot of problems owing to a well publicised incident (when a US airman was allegedly shot and kil;led by his gun going off whilst in the holster) wherein their P320 model is susceptable to negligent discharges caused by the play in the slide allowing the striker mechanism to fire the pistol without actually having to touch the trigger. Again, this is a problem with the real thing and not the airgun replicas of them, but if you like replicating the real world, you might want to consider that, if you wanted a gun which was popular, because curently Sig is not, at least in the real world.

A CO2 pistol I can certainly recommend for a bit of fun and I'm certainly not alone in doing so, is the GAMO P25 Blowback, and that's for a couple of good reasons: It is one of the more affordable ones, but it is in spite of that, very solidly constructed. Although not an actual replica of a real world gun, it borrows heavily from the looks of the Walther PP (that's the bigger original Politzei Pistol, not the smaller PPK of James Bond fame) so it has a classy old school look to it, but if that look does not float your boat, you can 'tart it up' with a dedicated 'tactical kit' available seperately (but this only costs about 20 quid) which will allow you to throw more tactical rails on the thing than you could ever possibly need and which makes it look very much more up to date

Here's mine, with that tactical kit on it although note that I also modified mine so it could take a silencer, so the regular ones don't have that threaded barrel or that silencer although GAMO do make the PT85 Tactical, which is internally similar to the P25 yet has all kinds of tactical stuff that comes with it, including fancy sights, silencer, torch attachments etc, so it kind of looks like my modified P25:

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If however, you don't want a Glock and don't want that GAMO because it isn't a replica of a real world firearm, then I'd recommend you take a look at the Air Venturi replica of the Spingfield Armoury XDE. Like Umarex replicas, this is a licensed copy made with the approval of Springfield Armoury, so it looks just like the real thing, has all the correct markings, weighs exactly the same as the real thing and it is fully field strippable, but in spite of all that, it only cost 130 quid, and in fact if you look about you can find it for less than a ton in some shops, which makes it an unbelievably good bargain and something a little different from all the other stuff out there.

If you aren't bothered about the blowback feature but you still want a gun which has a real world counterpart and is probably the most accurate-shooting one of the entire lot, then I'd recommend the Umarex Walther CP88. This comes in various versions, but they all shoot well and being non-blowback, are very miserly on gas. The downside of course is that whilst they look like a real Walther, the magazine system is nothing like the real thing (being the Umarex rotary type, which technically makes it a revolver pretending to be a semi-automatic), but if you can live with that, you wont find a better shooting replica.

This is my nickel plated one with the compensator attachment, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it is certainly the best-shooting replica pistol I have and it's reliable too. I've had my for getting on for 20 years and it still shoots well:

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You should be awre that it's a slippery slope, and you'll end up with several of the things, but you probably alread know that.
Great reply mate. I bought a cp88 when they first came available, still got it. As you say, accurate pistol that's well made and doesn't use much gas per shot.
 
I have an Umarex Glock 17 which has a rifled barrel, but comes with mags for both BBs and 177s, although I suspect putting BBs through it would not do the rifling any favours, so with that thing I stick to pellets, and it is undeniably good fun and is pretty accurate as well, so I've no problems in recommending it, if you like Glocks. But bear in mind that the one I have - Umarex make lots of different variants with some quite significant differences - is not field strippable, whereas some of the others they make are strippable, so if playing with it and having it able to be stripped down is something which appeals to you, then pick one of them which is strippable. Personally that didn't bother me, so I was happy with the one I got which is not strippable, but on the plus side, it does come in a nice hard plastic Glock case similar to what the real thing comes in. Also bear in mind that the one I have does not lock back on an empty mag, whereas some of the other Umarex Glocks do, so this too might concern you if you want a 'just like the real thing in every way' CO2 Glock.

Here's my Umarex Glock 17, which if you like Glocks, does undeniably look the business:

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Having said that, in spite of their popularity with law enforcement people and civilians alike, real Glocks and indeed license built airgun replicas of them are not for everyone in terms of ergonomics. Since the Glock 17 is a pistol with a double stack magazine to enable it to hold 17 rounds, this makes the grip pretty wide, which some people don't like. Also note that Glocks have a moulded in thumb slot on the grip which is geared toward making you grip it with your thumb low down on the handle and as you probably know, that's not typically how most professional shooters recommend you hold a pistol, instead saying you should use a high grip and place your thumb along the frame just below the slide, which then leaves space on the grip to allow you to have the end of your other hand's thumb on the grip, then wrap your fingers around the grip with your second hand's thumb going along the grip just below your other thumb. So for most people, that thumb recess is a somewhat annoying feature on a Glock.

Now of course the 'recommended' two-handed grip is to give you good control of recoil and follow through and to put your dominant arm as close to being in line with the barrel as possible, all of which aids accuracy and avoids 'limp wristing', which is where you aren't braced enough to allow the slide to properly function, which can cause a failure to load a new round when the action cycles incorrectly owing to backwards movement from your wrist (a problem with semi-automatics which is not limited to Glocks incidentally). This is more of a problem with a real firearm than it would be with a CO2 blowback air gun since the blowback on a CO2 replica is basically 'just for show' and to give it a small amount of kick, but since part of the appeal of such a CO2 replica is to use it like the real thing, it does kind of matter if that is part of the appeal of such a gun if you want to use it as per the real thing for example to replicate some tactical competition shooting or similar.

Then there is the fact that a Glock famously does not have a safety catch in the traditional sense, instead featuring a trigger within the trigger which sort of acts as one, but it's not everyone's cup of tea and many prefer an actual safety catch, so if you are one who does, this is a big negative point for a Glock replica, or at least it would be if it slavishly followed this aspect, because having said that, the Umarex Glocks do actually depart from the real things where this is concerned and do have a recessed safety switch under the barrel area (it's very well concealed so it doesn't spoil the realistic look). But it is kind of hard to operate if you have short nails, however it is there and a usable safety feature, although if you then decide you want a laser or light or some such on your Glock mounted under the barrel, this makes that safety catch inaccessable.

These are all things you might want to consider where realistic replicas of Glocks are concerned. But if you like Glocks, don't let this put you off the Umarex ones; the fact that they share the same issues that the real ones have, are license built and have all the correct markings etc, is actually a testament to how good they are, warts and all.

Some other recommendations if it doesn't have to be a Glock...

Sig Sauer as you probably know are currently experiencing a lot of problems owing to a well publicised incident (when a US airman was allegedly shot and kil;led by his gun going off whilst in the holster) wherein their P320 model is susceptable to negligent discharges caused by the play in the slide allowing the striker mechanism to fire the pistol without actually having to touch the trigger. Again, this is a problem with the real thing and not the airgun replicas of them, but if you like replicating the real world, you might want to consider that, if you wanted a gun which was popular, because curently Sig is not, at least in the real world.

A CO2 pistol I can certainly recommend for a bit of fun and I'm certainly not alone in doing so, is the GAMO P25 Blowback, and that's for a couple of good reasons: It is one of the more affordable ones, but it is in spite of that, very solidly constructed. Although not an actual replica of a real world gun
, it borrows heavily from the looks of the Walther PP (that's the bigger original Politzei Pistol, not the smaller PPK of James Bond fame) so it has a classy old school look to it, but if that look does not float your boat, you can 'tart it up' with a dedicated 'tactical kit' available seperately (but this only costs about 20 quid) which will allow you to throw more tactical rails on the thing than you could ever possibly need and which makes it look very much more up to date

Here's mine, with that tactical kit on it although note that I also modified mine so it could take a silencer, so the regular ones don't have that threaded barrel or that silencer although GAMO do make the PT85 Tactical, which is internally similar to the P25 yet has all kinds of tactical stuff that comes with it, including fancy sights, silencer, torch attachments etc, so it kind of looks like my modified P25:

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If however, you don't want a Glock and don't want that GAMO because it isn't a replica of a real world firearm,
then I'd recommend you take a look at the Air Venturi replica of the Spingfield Armoury XDE. Like Umarex replicas, this is a licensed copy made with the approval of Springfield Armoury, so it looks just like the real thing, has all the correct markings, weighs exactly the same as the real thing and it is fully field strippable, but in spite of all that, it only cost 130 quid, and in fact if you look about you can find it for less than a ton in some shops, which makes it an unbelievably good bargain and something a little different from all the other stuff out there.

If you aren't bothered about the blowback feature but you still want a gun which has a real world counterpart and is probably the most accurate-shooting one of the entire lot, then I'd recommend the Umarex Walther CP88. This comes in various versions, but they all shoot well and being non-blowback, are very miserly on gas. The downside of course is that whilst they look like a real Walther, the magazine system is nothing like the real thing (being the Umarex rotary type, which technically makes it a revolver pretending to be a semi-automatic), but if you can live with that, you wont find a better shooting replica.

This is my nickel plated one with the compensator attachment, which isn't to everyone's taste, but it is certainly the best-shooting replica pistol I have and it's reliable too. I've had my for getting on for 20 years and it still shoots well:

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You should be awre that it's a slippery slope, and you'll end up with several of the things, but you probably alread know that.
The Gamo P25 is in fact based on the Heckler & Koch HK4.
 
I have a Sig P226 and used to have a Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS.

The Sig is a nice gun to hold, full metal, with great blow back action. However it is not accurate and shoots very low, so no good for any target shooting, particularly as to hit a target at distance you have to aim high above the target which means you can't see the target because your hands are in the way. It also goes through CO2 very quickly 😞

The Glock I couldn't get on with because the trigger is very heavy and inconsistent, due to the action having to turn the 21 round belt in the magazine. I gave mine to my son.

However if you are not wanting to shoot at any great distance at targets, and just want a bit of fun taking out tin cans, then both might be ok. Also there are several models of the Glock, with different magazines I believe.

Some Umarex replica pistols that I could recommend are: Colt 1911, Beretta M92FS, Walther CP88, and the Webley MkVI Service Revolver, all of which are reasonably accurate over 10m. In my opinion the nicest to shoot are the Colt 1911 and the Webley.

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I have a Sig P226 and used to have a Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS.

The Sig is a nice gun to hold, full metal, with great blow back action. However it is not accurate and shoots very low, so no good for any target shooting, particularly as to hit a target at distance you have to aim high above the target which means you can't see the target because your hands are in the way. It also goes through CO2 very quickly 😞

The Glock I couldn't get on with because the trigger is very heavy and inconsistent, due to the action having to turn the 21 round belt in the magazine. I gave mine to my son.

However if you are not wanting to shoot at any great distance at targets, and just want a bit of fun taking out tin cans, then both might be ok. Also there are several models of the Glock, with different magazines I believe.

Some Umarex replica pistols that I could recommend are: Colt 1911, Beretta M92FS, Walther CP88, and the Webley MkVI Service Revolver, all of which are reasonably accurate over 10m. In my opinion the nicest to shoot are the Colt 1911 and the Webley.

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Thanks for that. I have a Webley MKVI which fulfilled a revolver need and now I'm looking to scratch another itch. I'm drawn to the P226 as it uses pellets and can accept a silencer, purely for the aesthetics. For accuracy, I have an Ultra CLX and also an HW100KT so this is purely for fun, shooting at tin cans and the like. Did you find any pellets that worked particularly well with the P226?
 
Thanks for that. I have a Webley MKVI which fulfilled a revolver need and now I'm looking to scratch another itch. I'm drawn to the P226 as it uses pellets and can accept a silencer, purely for the aesthetics. For accuracy, I have an Ultra CLX and also an HW100KT so this is purely for fun, shooting at tin cans and the like. Did you find any pellets that worked particularly well with the P226?

For purely aesthetics and feel, then the P226 is excellent. I only shoot the pistols at the range, and there the P226 is rubbish 😂 As for pellets I've only tried JSB Diablo and the lighter JSB Express. I hoped the lighter pellets would improve the low shooting, but it didn't.
 
As above, the P226 I own has the same problem. Geco, RWS club, Econ II, various plinking pellets were tried with similar results 🤷🏻‍♂️

You also have the SA10 model that accepts a silencer with a simple adapter.
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Not blowback mind you.
 
I believe the SA10 is blowback. Gets good reviews on YT
I can't remember rightly, it's nice but I haven't shot it in a while.

Edit : I just checked on supplier's website; you're right it is blowback.
Definitely better than the P226, that I do remember.
 
I can't remember rightly, it's nice but I haven't shot it in a while.

Edit : I just checked on supplier's website; you're right it is blowback.
Definitely better than the P226, that I do remember.
And it'd dual ammo. Chap on YT does a comparison between P226 and SA10. He can't hit much with the sig but shows the SA10 to be pretty accurate 👍
 
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