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‘Dirty Business’ Channel 4, water company dumping of raw sewerage into our rivers and seas. 🤬

Water should Never have been privatised. Once it was it was only ever going to be about profit. The infrastructure has not been updated to deal with the amount of people coming into the country. Electricity, same thing, probably gas too... Thankfully at least these essential services don't mean swimming in turds like "water" does

Just imagine... Before privatisation the electricity network, water and gas could have been maintained and paid for via our taxes and we could have had electricity, gas and water free of extortion... Maybe that little girl and her heartbroken dad might still be alive.
After all it was public/taxpayer money that built the original infrastructure, the power station and the distribution network, etc. It would probably be a good idea to get some experienced, credentialed private managers in on salaries that reflect their successes and failures onci in place because one thing's for sure. The public sector will most definitely not be capable enough to run things efficiently... look around 😂 I appreciate that I shouldn't be laughing but life atm is driving me a little bit crazy.

Life in the UK today feels like bills bills and more bills. Privatisation has been shown for what it is. Nothing more than lining the already full pockets of people who will never have enough money even when they have it all. The priorities are making sure share holders get their returns whilst old people and people on low wages freeze and go hungry. "Great Britain" You can take the great out of that lie. It's offensive to me when looking at modern day Britain. This country is disappearing down the toilet and our glorious leaders are helping it along with their detachment and ineptitude. Hard to imagine it's not being done deliberately, course it is :) Very little that happens, financial crashes, wars, etc all fit someone's agenda somewhere. Nameless, faceless people who you never see or hear about, They sit back and pull the strings of people like Claire Stoma, Nigel Mirage, Ben Ineedabib, etc. I pity anyone who believes democracy is a thing, that voting makes a difference, wake up :) There is only one demographic enjoying success at the poles and they are cheating! and getting away with it.

My personal belief is that our country is being wound up just like we are bankrupt which we are by the way. (As of January 2026, the UK's public sector net debt (PSND) excluding public sector banks was £2,867.4 billion, equivalent to 95.6% of GDP. This marks a significant increase from £2.53 trillion in July 2024, with debt rising by over £186 billion in just one year under the current Labour government. Thanks Ai. I dare say the actual figure is much higher but very well hidden) I think I'm right in saying our current leaders recently added an additional 500 million to that amount when they gave it to a former actor, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Our govt as a whole seems very fond of charity particularly when it is to another country or people coming from another country...
The UK is no longer relevant or competitive on the world stage. We produce nothing anymore. We cannot exist without imports. Self sufficiency should ALWAYS have been a priority. We don't produce all of our own energy, food and many other Important services and materials that are essential to be an independent country. We even allow other countries to make our laws for us. Does this country actually export anything anymore? Once upon a time it was shipbuilding, steel, coal, technology, bovine spongiform encephalopathy etc, etc .... I believe we still export cheese when we're allowed too ;)

I worry about the future, not for myself because I'm old so I won't have to endure it too much longer. But what about our young people. Most of them have no idea about what's waiting for them. What kind of lives they'll be allowed to live assuming they will be allowed to live at all... 15 minute cities, low pollution zones, carbon taxes, being forced to eat insects/bugs as the yanks like to call them. NOTE It's ok to call yanks yanks, poms poms, kiwis kiwis but woe betide ... The population in the UK has been dumbed down and treated like mushrooms. We've been pacified for so long we don't remember the size of the fight we could bring to the table. We have forgotten how to press it when we say "NO" Unity and community no longer exist. You'll hear the word community bandied about but it's a myth these days unless you weren't born here. Certain demographics absolutely know what Unity and community means. Recent local elections demonstrate it perfectly if only we were allowed to notice... If only we had free speech we could talk about it freely without being called names. We do have free speech according to our so called pm and his compadres but reality it turns out would suggest otherwise...

Someone else above said something along the lines "it could be re nationalised" I have no doubt it will be but only once they've rinsed any potential profit out of it and left in a state for the tax payer to remedy.

Bottom line for now. When swimming in the sea try not to swallow any of it. If it looks like a turd or a used rubber or sanitary item... It probably is
 
The utility companies were sold off because of the enormous amounts of money needed to bring them up to date. This would have cost the tax payers billions . By selling them off the burden was passed to the companies which purchased them. But as we know this didn't happen and so the infrastructure is now outdated and unable to cope. This is the reason why the government wont fine them, as they would just declare bankruptcy and the taxpayers will be left footing the bill.
 
This was all sorted out in the 80s, so it can be done. They've gone back the other way. I'm far from a socialist, but nationalise the waterways and take it back from the greedy companies. Sod all the shareholders. If they can't meet minimum standards, the government needs to them over and fix them. Selling shares is for raising funds to develop and improve. They aren't making improvements, they are profit machines.
Exactly this ☝️
 
IT IS SHOCKING.

The water companies then get fined a massive amount but then they put our bills up so we the consumer pay for there greed and incompetence and then the Fat Cats at the top still take there massive mind boggling bonuses :mad:
 
@drangedarren why post this after the warning?

The thread is valid for discussion but your post deliberately flouts what the moderator just said.
Surely valid discussion would include All points of view. I thought I was being polite considering the mess certain people have gotten us into. Am I getting banned?
 
Just a reminder.....

"All contentious threads including politics, religion, crime, immigration, laws, elections etc are banned & will be removed"

Some issues get dragged into almost every discussion

Mods will make the decision / interpretation.
They are pretty tolerant - up to a point.
 
I think we can all agree that water privatisation has been an absolute sh!tshow. Yes I lay blame at the government, because they are the ones supposed to be acting in the public interest and they are the only ones with the power to do anything about it.

It can be argued that the investors acted in bad faith of course. As @Dakarsooty noted above, the intention of the plan was fair: they invest to upgrade the infrastructure and cut through old bureaucracy to profit longer term. Remembering that the sole reason for these companies existence is to make as much money as possible, is it any wonder they realised (or knew already) that they could debt-load and asset-strip the firms to rake in far more cash while not giving a toss about the population or environment?

Separate to the overflow pollution issue, but along similar lines. Did the programme mention why you guys in the south face shortages and hose bans every summer? Part of that asset-stripping is dozens of reservoirs coming to the end of their service life and rather than being rebuilt/refurbished they hook up to share another existing one and sell off the site for development. We only get away with it more up here in hillier country because we have fewer but big dammed up valleys rather than loads more man-made concrete cistern types.

Yes we're going to foot the bill either way for it to be fixed, either as taxpayers or as customers, but it could at least stop the cycle by re-nationalising. I suspect the reason it hasn't happened is something along the lines of "I can't screw over my rich pals, I won't get that cushy board seat & salary after I leave parliament".
 
Water Services were privatised in September 1989 I believe - but only in England and Wales.

Yes, it has been a complete disaster - prices up, service and reliability down, both massively.

Here in England it has been an ongoing shit storm of unimaginable proportions.

Streams, rivers, coastline polluted on a scale unprecedented in modern tmes.
Untreated sewage pumped out at random.
No real effort to reduce wastage or leakage from the Victorian era pipework.
Whole areas left without a water supply, sometimes for weeks at a time.
Nobody held accountable in any meaningful sense.
OFWAT is ineffectual to be polite about it.

The only people benefiting from this are the shareholders and managers of this legalised extortion scheme.

Yes, there are some great engineering schemes like the new cross London ""super sewer" but who is paying for these?
I doubt it is the Water Companies.

Every Westminster Government since 1989 has been complicit - regardless of party.
Turning a blind eye has gone unchallenged for decades.

How are things in Scotland and Northern Ireland?
Equally disastrous?
I have no idea - genuine question.
 
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Surely valid discussion would include All points of view. I thought I was being polite considering the mess certain people have gotten us into. Am I getting banned?
I agree with a lot of what you said - just concerned with the level of politics and hoping the mods don’t close the thread down.

Personally found the tv program to be shocking and it’s a disgrace when I see news items about beautiful places like Windermere being polluted with sewage.

Legislation to stop it asap. It’ll cost but some things are worth it and clean water is one of them.
 
I agree with a lot of what you said - just concerned with the level of politics and hoping the mods don’t close the thread down.

Personally found the tv program to be shocking and it’s a disgrace when I see news items about beautiful places like Windermere being polluted with sewage.

Legislation to stop it asap. It’ll cost but some things are worth it and clean water is one of them.
It's not about party politics tho, it's about governmental failure over decades. They've failed us and ripped us off.
 
Let me put my point forward, politics has nothing to do with this. The problem is with the water companies themselves and greedy shareholders. The poor maintenance has been going on for decades through various governments, it’s not a recent thing.

Let’s not get the thread locked down fellas. The more that know about what’s going on the better.
 
Let me put my point forward, politics has nothing to do with this. The problem is with the water companies themselves and greedy shareholders. The poor maintenance has been going on for decades through various governments, it’s not a recent thing.

Let’s not get the thread locked down fellas. The more that know about what’s going on the better.
Ofwat, the environmental agency, and the drinking water inspectorate all share some of the blame. They've all either taken their eye off the ball, or lacked any serious power to enforce.
 
I think it is quite simple really. People are paying these companies to treat their sewage and they are not doing it. That's fraud. As mentioned earlier, it's like paying someone to take and properly dispose of your rubbish, only for them to just dump it in the street. That's fraud as well. Combining the two, it's like having your septic tank emptied and they pump it onto the street outside your house: isn't it?
 
This is the reason why the government wont fine them, as they would just declare bankruptcy and the taxpayers will be left footing the bill.
As I mentioned above, they CAN'T declare themselves bankrupt or they immediately become the property of the government, so re-nationalising the water companies would cost the taxpayer nothing.
The cost of repairing the infrastructure is an ongoing issue and will never be truly solved because the water companies have no intention of fixing it as long as they have shareholder dividends to pay and can simply demand a bailout from the government, who won't turn them down because no vital service can be allowed to fail.
That is; The taxpayer has nothing to lose because we're paying the water companies share dividends even as they fail to provide the service they are pledged to !
 
I’ve loved swimming most of my life; my wife and I have enjoyed many occasions swimming in open water

We both agreed last night that the risk is now too high and we decided to quit. If folk have been infected surfing, how easy would it be to contract some mega nasty virus swimming?

I would just like to pass on my thanks to all the water boards for poisoning our coastlines, rivers, brooks, culverts and lakes. What a spectacularly shitty thing to do, literally! Prison terms and humongous fines should be handed out, name and shame.

One last point. The Australian investment bank https://www.macquarie.com/au/en/about.html took £12B out of the water companies as a pure dividend. At their time of ownership, the water companies were fined £153m. What percentage is 153m out of 12B? Good day at the office for them I reckon. The company is still going strong too. Shame on them. Greed on a monumental scale…


Dirty Business Ch4 catchup….
 
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Lengthy prison sentences would be thoroughly deserved, but add to that... take away their money. That will hurt more than the prison time.

The moves which the water companies have been making are all about profits rather than delivering an ethical service. Once the scandals have been revealed, the share holders will be just as culpable as the companies' management teams. . . Aim at their wallets; that's the only thing which will provoke any changes.
 
If you have not seen the above docu/drama of the illegal dumping or raw sewerage please make sure you do…. It’s only 3 episodes, my Mrs and I watched all three last night…

I was shocked, folk getting seriously ill with one little girl dying. Greed on the part of the water companies, sucking out profits to pay shareholders rather than investing. If it was fly tipping, everyone would be up in arms!

Honestly, I was seething….

Absolutely disgusting that they can get away with this, self regulating too. 💩

Don’t watch whilst eating, much of the video footage is real. 🤮
We watched it very good. As you said we had to not watch it at meal times I’m not squeamish but it did put me off my kebab 💩
 
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