Weihrauch 77k

shergar said:
Photo TP with breech open to determine whether 25 or 26 mm piston bore.
The longer barrel 77 with 25 mm internals would be desirable. Not so much the 77K.
"Immaculate" and "stored in loft", do not readily combine.
£200 to £250 would be reasonable if purchased without close inspection of internals.
If opened up, expect a four leg steel spring guide, no top hat and end of spring resembling a cork screw.
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I know it's the longer barrel
 
Tinbum said:
Buy it! That is all…..
If it looks ok on the outside you are onto a winner, if the serial nimber starts 144### or less it is a 25mm piston and even bettererer😳

As to price, how good a friend is he? It could have cost £100 new if it was bought in the 80’s, he might think he’s had a result if he gets the same for it now. Ask him how much he wants and then let your conscience decide.
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He's not so much a friend, he's someone i know through work.
But he is a really nice bloke!!
Don't want to P155 him off, but
I don't want to get shafted
 
PartTimeLegend said:
So probably back to my £10 for spares.

My original £400 was if it was a couple of years old like my 97 which is essentially the same rifle.

£300 if it’s clean unrusted with a 25mm internal.

If it’s a lump of rusty steel then you might get some bits to use on another. Unless you want a project to restore it’s basically worthless.
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Master Chell would have it looking like new . 🙁 miss that bloke . he did my 35 Hoffman Premier
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If its been stored in the loft for years it would definitely need a good look at it.
Even then it can be hopefully brought back to life and in fully working order.

Ps..
Indeed Paul did a cracking job with my old mk2 hw77...25mm piston etc
Pity I'm going to sell it..but I'm not using it.

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Ideally you could take a pellet catcher and fire a couple, if he's amenable. Failing that you can still tell a lot from examining it without firing or stripping it. Work the lever back and forth to feel if the cocking stroke is smooth and look at the inside of the main tube.

Shine a light down the bore to look down it. Or even just put a piece of paper behind the breech to reflect light from the window. Putting your eye close to the muzzle sounds very unsafe but if the loading port is open, even if it had a pellet in, there's no way it could be fired. You could take a short piece of wood like a thick dowel a few inch long to block the comp tube, or if you trust the guy just get him to hold the lever open when cocked. If it's got the beartrap don't cock it unless you can fire a pellet.

Check the condition of the stock screws. If chewed, some hamfisted oik might have been inside it.

No way is it worth £400 but a 25mm piston model in good nick could be £300. Cosmetically challenged but mechanically sound would still be a good 200-250. Surface rust can be polished off and reblued.
 
original 45 said:
I know it's the longer barrel
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This ups the value.
Talk a ball park figure of £250.
Shoot over chrony to determine muzzle energy.
If less than 10 or more than 12, both give reason to open and inspect internals.
If inspection declined reduce the offer.
Opening a 77 for the first time can be a brutal experience.
 
This gun as stated before was this guys father's gun who has passed. The guy is in his early to mid 60's so kinda gives me the idea it's quite old
 
Audi Swift said:
If its been stored in the loft for years it would definitely need a good look at it.
Even then it can be hopefully brought back to life and in fully working order.

Ps..
Indeed Paul did a cracking job with my old mk2 hw77...25mm piston etc
Pity I'm going to sell it..but I'm not using it.

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What's stopping you using it ? acute PCPitis ?
 
It can be restored if necessary regardless of its condition.

Whether that is financially wise is another question.

One of my early HW77s was in a pitiful state - several AGF-ers suggested burning it.
I got it all refurbished by various Forum experts and it is now absolutely lovely
Including the much missed Paul Chell.

Personally, I would buy your mates rifle anyway, in all probability if it were me.

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Especially now that we know it is a "full.length" version!!!
And not a "K."
 
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chouchin66 said:
What's stopping you using it ? acute PCPitis ?
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😂 Indeed, I just mostly shoot HFT competitions and some pest control with my steyr HFT rig.. I've also got a nice Cz200 what's not getting used thesedays.
and the hw77 is nowadays just wasting away not being used like it should, what's a bit sad.
I'm just not interested in Springers now, I was brought up on them and I' brought the hw77 new when I was a youngun in the 80s.
 
Tinbum said:
Buy it! That is all…..
If it looks ok on the outside you are onto a winner, if the serial nimber starts 144### or less it is a 25mm piston and even bettererer😳

As to price, how good a friend is he? It could have cost £100 new if it was bought in the 80’s, he might think he’s had a result if he gets the same for it now. Ask him how much he wants and then let your conscience decide.
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Ah. This one has 7 digits...
 
Adam77K said:
Mine, purchased new in 1987 has 7 digits 1028xxx and is 25mm

I think @Tinbum's post should have had an extra hash

Chambers says serial numbers after 1301036 are 26mm
Bagnall and Kirkwood say it's after 1446649.
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Ah. That's good, i did wonder if that was the case. This one is 101####.
Fingers crossed it's a good one!
 
original 45 said:
Ah. That's good, i did wonder if that was the case. This one is 101####.
Fingers crossed it's a good one!
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So it is a 25mm piston and from the mid 1980s.
Go to this page
and scroll down, or ctrl-F to search for 1010083 which is the first number in the 101s. Looks like all of the 7 digit numbers starting 101 are 1984 or 1985
 
original 45 said:
Ah. That's good, i did wonder if that was the case. This one is 101####.
Fingers crossed it's a good one!
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Early example.
If it is not already a "good one" then it certainly deserves to be.
AGF has all.the knowledge, parts and experience to make it better than new.

Send lots of pictures as you get to grips with it, please.
Not because I enjoy being envious but because it is "better than a thousand words" and this proverb is especially true in this context.

Whereabouts are you in the "UK?"
There might well be local members willing to help.

Definitely more than a £10 gun!
If the barrel is totally banjaxed then I have a Mk2 action here not doing anything - we can discuss options, all subject to AGF Sales Rules when you gain access.
 
This sounds like a buy it now consider it later. 🤠

Mk 1serial numbers ran from 1000xxx 1983- mid 1985
Mk2 serial numbers from circa 103xxxx mid 85 - late 80s
Serial numbers 1446xxx ish changed the piston form 25mm to 26mm but note these cand be swapped from the action so always worth checking the size fitted.
 
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