Second hand shops selling Air guns

P8X said:
The only caveat here, is whether the person carrying out the de tuning, has the authority to possess a rife above sub12. Anyone getting caught in possession of a rifle above sub12, is liable to prosecution
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Surely the solution is to immediately put it over the Chrono when you have it home and start stripping it immediately if it's over. Just like you do with any other airgun you possess whilst checking it or tuning it etc. You take immediate action to put it right i.e makesure it can't be cocked.
 
PartTimeLegend said:
“So not only did they sell him a Section 1 firearm...”

They claim it to be an S1.

“If someone brings me an over powered Air gun I alway check with my firearms department by giving them the serial number to see if it is a registered firearm.”

They then go on to claim they check this.

These statements are either completely false or OP modified an S1 which they deny. Which one is it?
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Does he say that the checks revealed it as a registered S1 Firearm that therefore had been on previous owner(s) tickets?
 
PartTimeLegend said:
This is it! I didn’t make it an S1 requiring an FAC. The very start of this thread did that with OP being the one to state this. They even double down later stating they check with licensing.
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Thank you. I am very surprised that I have received so much negativity Over what in my opinion I did the right thing with the information I had. As I said I do know the law. If I have a repair come in over powered and Is not on a fac I always reduce the power to the uk legal limit before returning it . Which I thought was part of responsible airgun ownership.
 
Trigg said:
Thank you. I am very surprised that I have received so much negativity Over what in my opinion I did the right thing with the information I had. As I said I do know the law. If I have a repair come in over powered and Is not on a fac I always reduce the power to the uk legal limit before returning it . Which I thought was part of responsible airgun ownership.
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You claimed in your first post it to be an S1 which you modified. You then went on to say you checked it with licensing.

Did you check with licensing and it wasn’t an S1 but you just thought you’d call it an S1 anyway?
 
P8X said:
Though the OP said it was S1, I think that's just bad language.
If checked and confirmed not to be a registered S1 its just an over the limit air rifle

Only when registered as an S1 can it not go back to sub12, in theory, but I know for a fact that some licensing authorities have allowed that in the past, but maybe no longer possible
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The home office law is clear once registered as a firearm it will always be a section 1 firearm regardless if the the power is below or above 12fpe.
 
PestWeForget said:
Surely the solution is to immediately put it over the Chrono when you have it home and start stripping it immediately if it's over. Just like you do with any other airgun you possess whilst checking it or tuning it etc. You take immediate action to put it right i.e makesure it can't be cocked.
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That would be the normal course of events for a private buyer / owner. And to be honest, the best course of action, though legally you'd be up for it, just the same. Chances are, you'd be rather unlucky to be apprehended in possession of an over the limit air rifle, if you act responsibly and quickly

For anyone operating for a business, and that would mean anyone carrying out work on air rifles on a regular basis, the chances of this happening are multiplied exponentially. Only holding or acting on behalf of an RFD, would mitigate that
 
Trigg said:
It was not on the section 1 register..
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There we go. We get to the bottom of it. In the OP you said it was a S1. That was the cause of the entire confusion.

Now that you acknowledge it was never an S1 and your post was misleading we can deal with the actual matter at hand.

As you’ve already stated you have reported this to the relevant authorities to deal with. I suggest that you be aware of what you say to them. If this was to end up in a legal matter you might want to ensure your story is consistent.
 
Trigg said:
The home office law is clear once registered as a firearm it will always be a section 1 firearm regardless if the the power is below or above 12fpe.
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Yeah I think I've already covered that
 
PartTimeLegend said:
You claimed in your first post it to be an S1 which you modified. You then went on to say you checked it with licensing.

Did you check with licensing and it wasn’t an S1 but you just thought you’d call it an S1 anyway?
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Yes it is not a section 1 registered firearm . I am sorry for the confusion I tend to refer to over powered air rifles as in the category of a section 1 firearm.
 
Just to clarify my point about some licensing authorities allowing guns to be removed from S1, some 30 or so years ago, I know for a fact that my local authority (at that time) allowed at least 1 FAC Webley Patriot and 1 Theoben Eliminator (both only produced in FAC at that time) to be declassified from S1 to sub12.
Pretty sure the rules have now been uniformly reinforced to stop this happening.
 
PartTimeLegend said:
“So not only did they sell him a Section 1 firearm...”

They claim it to be an S1.

“If someone brings me an over powered Air gun I alway check with my firearms department by giving them the serial number to see if it is a registered firearm.”

They then go on to claim they check this.

These statements are either completely false or OP modified an S1 which they deny. Which one is it?
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I think you need to take a chill pill mate.
As far as I understand it, an air gun with over 12flb of muzzle energy would be classified as a section 1 firearm.
Even if it’s an unregistered section 1 firearm, it still comes under that classification.
If it has never been registered as a section 1 and is a case of being found to be over the limit, your corse of action has to be either immediate disablement of the gun. Then either a reduction of power to return it to legal, or phone the police and get them to collect it.

You seem to be caught up in semantics to the degree that you are being a bit unreasonable.
If the OP has contacted his local firearms department for clarification on what he should or shouldn’t do next, he has covered himself fully.
And had advice from someone with more authority than yourself.
 
P8X said:
Just to clarify my point about some licensing authorities allowing guns to be removed from S1, some 30 or so years ago, I know for a fact that my local authority (at that time) allowed at least 1 FAC Webley Patriot and 1 Theoben Eliminator (both only produced in FAC at that time) to be declassified from S1 to sub12.
Pretty sure the rules have now been uniformly reinforced to stop this happening.
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That of course is a great shame, but if that's what the rules are, then that's what they are unfortunately.

Surely that's why RFD's don't do it, because it would be a money spinner for them if they could.
 
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P8X might know who I am writing about. We had a club member who was part of the firearms police team at Barnstaple. One day another member was checking his rifle with the club chrono and found it to be over. Careful said another member, xxx is watching.

Xxx said, listen guys, my job entails keeping illegal guns off the streets. By checking your own kit you are doing my job for me, so think about it, what’s in it for me to nick any of you?
 
ChrisHobbs said:
I think you need to take a chill pill mate.
As far as I understand it, an air gun with over 12flb of muzzle energy would be classified as a section 1 firearm.
Even if it’s an unregistered section 1 firearm, it still comes under that classification.
If it has never been registered as a section 1 and is a case of being found to be over the limit, your corse of action has to be either immediate disablement of the gun. Then either a reduction of power to return it to legal, or phone the police and get them to collect it.

You seem to be caught up in semantics to the degree that you are being a bit unreasonable.
If the OP has contacted his local firearms department for clarification on what he should or shouldn’t do next, he has covered himself fully.
And had advice from someone with more authority than yourself.
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Give him a break. He's trying to get to FullTime. 🤣
 
ChrisHobbs said:
I think you need to take a chill pill mate.
As far as I understand it, an air gun with over 12flb of muzzle energy would be classified as a section 1 firearm.
Even if it’s an unregistered section 1 firearm, it still comes under that classification.
If it has never been registered as a section 1 and is a case of being found to be over the limit, your corse of action has to be either immediate disablement of the gun. Then either a reduction of power to return it to legal, or phone the police and get them to collect it.

You seem to be caught up in semantics to the degree that you are being a bit unreasonable.
If the OP has contacted his local firearms department for clarification on what he should or shouldn’t do next, he has covered himself fully.
And had advice from someone with more authority than yourself.
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I claim no authority in anything.

I simply asked OP if they modified an S1 after stating it was an S1. As they later stated they check this with licensing then there was the issue here.

Anyway we’ve been over it ad nauseum at this point. We figured out it wasn’t a registered S1 so OP did the right thing.

We all know a rifle can shoot hot and cold depending on wind direction. So the odd creep over happens. I’ve seen over 30 on a brand new rifle from the store a couple of years ago.
 
Only testing by an approved laboratory acting on the instructions of the constabulary can establish that an airgun is indeed Section 1 and that you have won a free holiday...
Testing on a private chronometer does no more than indicate that the gun has the sort of problem that would be best resolved, or at least dismantled, PDQ. For a repairer, checking serial numbers against Police databases just in case is exemplary conduct. OP is in the clear!
 
PartTimeLegend said:
“So not only did they sell him a Section 1 firearm...”

They claim it to be an S1.

“If someone brings me an over powered Air gun I alway check with my firearms department by giving them the serial number to see if it is a registered firearm.”

They then go on to claim they check this.

These statements are either completely false or OP modified an S1 which they deny. Which one is it?
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Yawn
 
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