Lead ban and Muzzle Loaders.

It’s just a huge virtue signalling exercise with the added bonus of detriment to private gun ownership. The establishment do not want the (minor) risk of an armed public insurrection. Strangely, as we all know, the American constitution was based on our own English one but somehow we lost the right to keep and bear arms in our version.
 
HarrySmithsonian said:
It’s just a huge virtue signalling exercise with the added bonus of detriment to private gun ownership. The establishment do not want the (minor) risk of an armed public insurrection. Strangely, as we all know, the American constitution was based on our own English one but somehow we lost the right to keep and bear arms in our version.
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It was always "The Englishman's right" to own a gun-Now it's classed as a privilege --It was after the second world war that they decided they did not want the public to have arms in case there decided to bare arms against the establishment --makes people easier to control sounds harsh but that is what it points to
 
zakdingel said:
It was always "The Englishman's right" to own a gun-Now it's classed as a privilege --It was after the second world war that they decided they did not want the public to have arms in case there decided to bare arms against the establishment --makes people easier to control sounds harsh but that is what it points to
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The history of gun control here has always been of interest to me and it started long before WW2.

Control of weapons here started as early as the 1200s and really increased in strength from the 1600s. Gun licences have been a requirement since 1870. Pistols came under scrutiny and control just after 1900, with the 1689 bill of rights saying we had the right to own guns "as allowed by law" meaning that the law was always able to control gun ownership in England. Gun control that we would recognise with the Police and Home Office involved started as a result of two simultaneous cultural 'worries' - communism and the Irish. The Firearms Act 1920 was ostensibly to control the glut of weapons floating around after WW1 but the real intention was to try and frustrate the Irish Republicans from getting easy access to weapons.

We've been on a knee-jerk driven policy merry-go-round ever since the "Americanisation" of guns and gun culture worldwide. Honestly, if the USA behaved themselves properly we'd get a lot less grief here. There was an average of more than one mass shooting per day in the USA in 2025 and those sorts of statistics do tremendous harm to our sport here. Every time something happens here (Hungerford, Dunblane, Cumbria, Devon) we get something close to hysteria that we're on a trajectory towards American-style madness. We're not, but the global perception of guns and gun culture is heavily driven by the USA.
 
DRZ said:
The history of gun control here has always been of interest to me and it started long before WW2.

Control of weapons here started as early as the 1200s and really increased in strength from the 1600s. Gun licences have been a requirement since 1870. Pistols came under scrutiny and control just after 1900, with the 1689 bill of rights saying we had the right to own guns "as allowed by law" meaning that the law was always able to control gun ownership in England. Gun control that we would recognise with the Police and Home Office involved started as a result of two simultaneous cultural 'worries' - communism and the Irish. The Firearms Act 1920 was ostensibly to control the glut of weapons floating around after WW1 but the real intention was to try and frustrate the Irish Republicans from getting easy access to weapons.

We've been on a knee-jerk driven policy merry-go-round ever since the "Americanisation" of guns and gun culture worldwide. Honestly, if the USA behaved themselves properly we'd get a lot less grief here. There was an average of more than one mass shooting per day in the USA in 2025 and those sorts of statistics do tremendous harm to our sport here. Every time something happens here (Hungerford, Dunblane, Cumbria, Devon) we get something close to hysteria that we're on a trajectory towards American-style madness. We're not, but the global perception of guns and gun culture is heavily driven by the USA.
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Thanks for this very interesting to read how far back it really go.s .I was always led to believe it was after the wars but reading your post so different. So we have always being controlled in some shape and form even from back then
 
Oldtime said:
Ok, and what exactly is all that?? I thought handguns were all banned?? What is the basic frame, looks like a smith 686??
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The frame and barrel are an Alfa Proj revolver, not an S&W.

They are supplied to Westlake Engineering without a cylinder so the have never been a complete firearm, Westlake have the muzzle loading cylinders made to fit.
 
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